tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31664716.post1802563004565900168..comments2024-02-04T21:16:17.306-08:00Comments on Surph's Side: Laxity and Tolerance Is NOT Love!Denisehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14770822482205703050noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31664716.post-86679316058244851032009-03-20T13:34:00.000-07:002009-03-20T13:34:00.000-07:00Hey Harold,I'd be more in line with Historic Bapti...Hey Harold,<BR/><BR/>I'd be more in line with Historic Baptists, I believe.<BR/><BR/>Here's a few links you might find interesting:<BR/><BR/>http://www.fbbc.com/messages/one_step/one_step_18.htm<BR/><BR/>http://www.reformedreader.org/histb.htm<BR/><BR/>http://www.pbministries.org/Theology/Laurence%20Justice/are_baptists_reformed.htm<BR/><BR/>Hope this might help a little.Denisehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14770822482205703050noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31664716.post-21715121542877644992009-03-20T11:05:00.000-07:002009-03-20T11:05:00.000-07:00Thanks for all your help! Very well said! I feel t...Thanks for all your help! Very well said! I feel the same way about most of your objections. I am a Baptist, but I have not come to terms with the issue of Baptist history. I don't see the great need of not be a protestant. If we agree on Gen-Rev, Why argue on history? <BR/><BR/>By process of elimination can I assume you are a (loosly speaking here)a Landmark, TULIP, Baptist? This maybe where I am headed. I just don't know what box I belong in. <BR/><BR/>I know what I believe, I just don't know which group believes like me. The term Baptist seems broader today than ever. <BR/><BR/>Pastor Haroldpastorharoldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15533480491305057153noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31664716.post-84572083909851955672009-03-20T10:27:00.000-07:002009-03-20T10:27:00.000-07:00Hi Harold,There's a few things that are embedded i...Hi Harold,<BR/><BR/>There's a few things that are embedded in Reformed Theology that makes me reject the label and practice.<BR/><BR/>For instance:<BR/><BR/>Covenantal Theology (basically the presumption that God shall save the children of the elect).<BR/><BR/>Infant sprinkling. This denies the biblical mandate of a Believer's Baptism. It also denies the mode of baptism which is clearly by immersion.<BR/><BR/>Sacraments: half a step from Rome in that they believe that the elements are efficacious on some level; that they are more than a symbol. Scripture says they are only a symbol.<BR/><BR/>Ecclesiology: this is mainly the Presbyterians---hierchy of men rule over bodies of believers that they themselves are not involved with. This is governmental in nature and contrary to Scripture who has said that elders are to rule over their OWN local body of believers, not anyone else's.<BR/><BR/>Man-centered: they hold to RCC's verion of history ("church fathers")and creeds. They use creeds and confessions of faith as authoritative instead of or at least on par with Scripture. They do not hold to Scripture alone, but rather Scripture plus the confessions. Just try telling a Reformer you don't hold to any Creed or confession, and they will either attact you by ad homs or reject you as an idiot.<BR/><BR/>I DO believe that each church should have a statement of faith for those who are new to the church so they can get an idea of what the church holds to. However, it is NEVER a standard by which to measure spirituality.<BR/><BR/>The general Reformed views are most consistantly reflected in Presbyterianism. However, there are "Reformed Baptists" too. The problem with them is they try to bridge Baptist doctrine to Reformed theology which ends up in compromise. Baptists, historically (and by other names but by distinctives) were never part of the Reformation, for they never were part of Rome. Btw, the Reformation never occurred: RCC never was reformed. <BR/><BR/>One other thing--and I've yet to get an answer from a Reformer: if all men are dead in their sin (Total Depravity), which Scripture says they are, then why do they believe they could reform a dead church?<BR/><BR/>I believe Scripture teaches the TULIP which stems from God's absolute and total sovereignty (pun intended). But the other stuff I leave in the dust. <BR/><BR/>I hope this helps some.Denisehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14770822482205703050noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31664716.post-2251984395717734472009-03-20T10:09:00.000-07:002009-03-20T10:09:00.000-07:00Denise, This comment has nothing to do with you po...Denise,<BR/> This comment has nothing to do with you post. But I was reading in your Bio. that you wanted to expose false teachings and one of these false teachings was Reformed Theology. I am kinda new to the Reformed stuff myself(I think I have always been this way, just learned it had a name) Anyway, it seems most of your post are Reformed?<BR/>Help me out here, what do hate about reformed theo? I am not being smart, I just want to know if I am missing something. <BR/>Thanks for your help, <BR/>pastorharoldpastorharoldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15533480491305057153noreply@blogger.com