tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31664716.post6323056279806014179..comments2024-02-04T21:16:17.306-08:00Comments on Surph's Side: reTrainDenisehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14770822482205703050noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31664716.post-32494505882688420222010-06-01T10:56:47.406-07:002010-06-01T10:56:47.406-07:00Burning,
Until you are willing to read what MacAr...Burning,<br /><br />Until you are willing to read what MacArthur has actually taught and the whole story of Bob Jones Jr. and Bob Jones III, then you will continue to be not only misinformed, but help spreading false things about MacArthur. <br /><br />You cannot take comments from a video site to draw your conclusions.<br /><br />Btw, Deborah and that whole website is VERY misinformed about the Sovereignty of God and the biblical teaching of electing and prestination. They argue against things that aren't even held to.<br /><br />I would suggest, besides reading what MacArthur said and the reporting done on that (as linked here in the comment section), to study this:<br /><br />Eph. 1-2, which says in part:<br /><br />Eph 1:11 In Him we have obtained an inheritance, <b>having been predestined according to the purpose of Him who works all things according to the counsel of His will</b><br /><br />Ps. 33: 8 Let all the earth fear the LORD; let all the people of the world revere Him. 9 For He spoke, and it came to be; He commanded, and it stood firm.10 The LORD foils the plans of the nations; He thwarts the purposes of the peoples. 11 But the plans of the LORD stand firm forever, the purposes of His heart through all generations.<br /><br />Dan. 4: 35 All the peoples of the earth are regarded as nothing. He does as He pleases with the powers of heaven and the peoples of the earth. No one can hold back His hand or say to him: “What have you done?”<br /><br />Study Romans 1-5, 9-11, and also John's Gospel, besides Eph. 1-2. Don't go to commentary or anyone...just study the Scripture all by itself, carefully, prayerfully, and slowly, considering that what you understood might not be accurate according to the Scriptures.Denisehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14770822482205703050noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31664716.post-79905461838246998082010-06-01T10:22:36.289-07:002010-06-01T10:22:36.289-07:00Burning,
I did look at the website and its promot...Burning,<br /><br />I did look at the website and its promoting something untrue. You need to actually read what happened and MacArthur's own words on his view of the blood of Jesus Christ. He doesn't soft-pedal anything. I know. I've listened to his sermons for years (in context!) and have read many of his books (in context). You didn't bother to read the article that I posted. You need to.<br /><br />As for Election and Pink's view, he's in line with Scripture, too. I've studied this doctrine and know it well according to Scripture. <br /><br />I agree truth and error mixed = error. But our standard must by according to Scripture, not some man-centered Arminian view which contradicts the Bible.<br /><br />Thanks!Denisehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14770822482205703050noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31664716.post-22910179775755487042010-06-01T10:14:55.792-07:002010-06-01T10:14:55.792-07:00There are a lot of Baptists who are Calvinists and...There are a lot of Baptists who are Calvinists and Pink is very popular w/Calvinist/Reformed. As for the Sovereign Grace doctrine I would be interested in your opinion of it as described at http://www.pbministries.org/books/pink/Election/election.htm. We must be careful what we promote.<br /><br />On MacA, I hope you read the recommended link to be informed on his position on the blood of Christ. He is also a Calvinist although he soft-pedals it to make himself palatable to the masses. Many discerners are oblivious to this because he has spoken out on PDL and some other errors in the Church. The greatest deception has been and always will be a mixture of truth and error. <br /><br />Grace and peace!Burning Lamphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11836035738842785675noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31664716.post-65046728788183786492010-06-01T10:06:48.334-07:002010-06-01T10:06:48.334-07:00Burning,
The contraversy about the blood of Jesu...Burning, <br /><br />The contraversy about the blood of Jesus and what MacArthur has taught, is decades old. He was taken out of context and the false accusations were slanderous.<br /><br />I suggest going to this site for clarity on what he believes, which is in line with Scripture:<br /><br />http://www.spurgeon.org/~phil/articles/blood.htm<br /><br />In part:<br /><br />On June 13, 1986, MacArthur wrote to Bob Jones III, complaining that the magazine had taken snippets of his remarks out of context and deliberately made them seem sinister. MacArthur assured the magazine's editors that he absolutely affirms the necessity of the shed blood of Christ for atonement and explained that the point he was trying to make in the quoted excerpt was merely that the saving efficacy of Christ's blood is not because of some property in the blood itself, but rather because Christ had poured it out in death as a substitute for sinners.<br /><br />Indeed, in the very same source Dr. Jones, Jr. had selectively quoted from, MacArthur had written,<br /><br />"Peter calls His blood "precious" and I agree . . . but Peter's reference there is to the sacrificial nature of His death. . . . The phrase "Christ died for our sin" (Romans 5:8; 1 Corinthians 15:3) expresses the truth that death was the penalty, not blood. . . I Peter 2:24 is not saying we are saved by his wounds. . . . If we say that it is the blood that saves . . . what are we saying? His actual blood, physically, saves us? Or perhaps we are stuck with the Roman Catholic Church "perpetual offering" view that some hold. This view says that Christ perpetually sacrifices Himself. He took His blood into heaven and keeps offering it. Hebrews 10:12-14forbids such a view.<br /><br />Clearly it was His death . . . once for all. His shed blood was part of the violence of it, and speaks of it as sacrifice, but we are saved by His substitutionary death for us, not by the chemicals in His blood."<br /><br />Plainly, MacArthur was not denying that Christ literally shed His blood. He was not denying that the literal shedding of blood was a necessary aspect of the atonement. His only point was that the efficacy of Christ's blood lies not in some property of the blood itself, but rather in the fact that Christ shed it in death, and such a death was the price of atonement for our sin.<br /><br />These misguided brethren are so blindly determined to tie John MacArthur to the heretics' stake that they haven't noticed how their own rhetoric has carried them into serious heresy instead, denying the full humanity of Christ's body, and opening the door to a Romanesque literalism regarding the application of Christ's blood to sinners.<br /><br />Finally, five years after the original correspondence with Jones, Jr., Bob Jones III wrote MacArthur (July 3, 1991) and assured MacArthur that BJU had tried to let the matter drop. He clearly did not regard MacArthur's position as heresy<br /><br />End quote.<br /><br />I suggest reading the entire article carefully, as it is very detailed in his position on the atoning sacrifice of the Lord Jesus Christ. Its not what Bob Jones had claimed it was (and later BJU had to retract).<br /><br />http://www.spurgeon.org/~phil/articles/blood.htmDenisehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14770822482205703050noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31664716.post-58174622597979987502010-06-01T09:38:53.961-07:002010-06-01T09:38:53.961-07:00Thanks for coming by. I really enjoy the biblical ...Thanks for coming by. I really enjoy the biblical teaching of MacArthur and Pink. =) Pink was actually a Sovereign Grace Baptist...not to be confused with Presbyerian/Calvinism. =)Denisehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14770822482205703050noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31664716.post-88662255192128220122010-06-01T07:33:20.621-07:002010-06-01T07:33:20.621-07:00Enjoy your blog.
Just a heads up. Check out www.d...Enjoy your blog.<br /><br />Just a heads up. Check out www.discerningtheworld.com articles on John MacArthur.<br /><br />Also A.W. Pink is Calvinist. I don't read him for that reason even though he has other good stuff. A little leaven........Burning Lamphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11637967859960737412noreply@blogger.com