CP: You wrote about the debate within Exodus International decades back on whether or not they should focus on celibacy or change, with the latter winning out. Would Exodus International have done better to focus on celibacy rather than change?
Chambers: I think if Exodus had simply chosen to be an organization that was going to show up for people, that was going to be present in the lives of the people who were making difficult decisions, if Exodus had remained a place that wasn't about promoting change or promoting marriage or saying this is the one narrative that is best, had it simply just been a place of support, comfort, and encouragement, it would have, it could have lasted. That is a model I see in a number of organizations today that I think is beneficial to LGBT people, whether they are achieving celibacy or not.
CP: In the book, you write "We saw the danger of calling people 'good' or 'whole' or 'healthy' or 'healed' in relation to their sexual narrative" and later "I'd always affirmed someone's right to live the life they wanted and never disputed someone's salvation." Do you believe though that there are some "sexual narratives" that are objectionable?
Chambers: Well, I think that the quote that you read really speaks for itself in that our holiness and our righteousness does not depend on our actions. It depends on our relationship with Christ and there are so many gay and lesbian people that I know, transgendered people, bisexual people, you name it, who have a vibrant relationship with Christ and their sexual narrative doesn't negate their righteousness or holiness. I think that that's something really important for the Church to understand — that someone's relationship with Christ isn't dependent on the things that they do or the behaviors that they're involved in.
Read more at http://www.christianpost.com/news/qa-former-exodus-international-president-on-new-book-personal-journey-laws-banning-gay-therapy-for-minors-146380/#5bAeJ6DE37Wk2Hxh.99
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CP: You wrote about the debate within Exodus International decades back on whether or not they should focus on celibacy or change, with the latter winning out. Would Exodus International have done better to focus on celibacy rather than change?
Chambers: I think if Exodus had simply chosen to be an organization that was going to show up for people, that was going to be present in the lives of the people who were making difficult decisions, if Exodus had remained a place that wasn't about promoting change or promoting marriage or saying this is the one narrative that is best, had it simply just been a place of support, comfort, and encouragement, it would have, it could have lasted. That is a model I see in a number of organizations today that I think is beneficial to LGBT people, whether they are achieving celibacy or not.
CP: In the book, you write "We saw the danger of calling people 'good' or 'whole' or 'healthy' or 'healed' in relation to their sexual narrative" and later "I'd always affirmed someone's right to live the life they wanted and never disputed someone's salvation." Do you believe though that there are some "sexual narratives" that are objectionable?
Chambers: Well, I think that the quote that you read really speaks for itself in that our holiness and our righteousness does not depend on our actions. It depends on our relationship with Christ and there are so many gay and lesbian people that I know, transgendered people, bisexual people, you name it, who have a vibrant relationship with Christ and their sexual narrative doesn't negate their righteousness or holiness. I think that that's something really important for the Church to understand — that someone's relationship with Christ isn't dependent on the things that they do or the behaviors that they're involved in.
Read more at http://www.christianpost.com/news/qa-former-exodus-international-president-on-new-book-personal-journey-laws-banning-gay-therapy-for-minors-146380/#5bAeJ6DE37Wk2Hxh.99
Read more at http://www.christianpost.com/news/qa-former-exodus-international-president-on-new-book-personal-journey-laws-banning-gay-therapy-for-minors-146380/#kIi4VCFhdPcGmQpI.99
Read more at http://www.christianpost.com/news/qa-former-exodus-international-president-on-new-book-personal-journey-laws-banning-gay-therapy-for-minors-146380/#DKBJf68P22gmkVb3.99
CP: You wrote about the debate within Exodus International decades back on whether or not they should focus on celibacy or change, with the latter winning out. Would Exodus International have done better to focus on celibacy rather than change?
Chambers: I think if Exodus had simply chosen to be an organization that was going to show up for people, that was going to be present in the lives of the people who were making difficult decisions, if Exodus had remained a place that wasn't about promoting change or promoting marriage or saying this is the one narrative that is best, had it simply just been a place of support, comfort, and encouragement, it would have, it could have lasted. That is a model I see in a number of organizations today that I think is beneficial to LGBT people, whether they are achieving celibacy or not.
CP: In the book, you write "We saw the danger of calling people 'good' or 'whole' or 'healthy' or 'healed' in relation to their sexual narrative" and later "I'd always affirmed someone's right to live the life they wanted and never disputed someone's salvation." Do you believe though that there are some "sexual narratives" that are objectionable?
Chambers: Well, I think that the quote that you read really speaks for itself in that our holiness and our righteousness does not depend on our actions. It depends on our relationship with Christ and there are so many gay and lesbian people that I know, transgendered people, bisexual people, you name it, who have a vibrant relationship with Christ and their sexual narrative doesn't negate their righteousness or holiness. I think that that's something really important for the Church to understand — that someone's relationship with Christ isn't dependent on the things that they do or the behaviors that they're involved in.
End quote.
Those are lies straight from the devil himself. Scripture states:
Eph 5:5 For you may be sure of this, that everyone who is sexually immoral or impure, or who is covetous (that is, an idolater), has no inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God.
Eph 5:6 Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience.
Eph 5:7 Therefore do not become partners with them;
1Jn 1:6 If we say we have fellowship with him while we walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth.
1Jn 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus his Son cleanses us from all sin.
1Jn 1:8 If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
Mat 15:19 For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false witness, slander.
Mat 15:20 These are what defile a person. But to eat with unwashed hands does not defile anyone."
1Co 5:9 I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people—
1Co 5:10 not at all meaning the sexually immoral of this world, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world.
1Co 5:11 But now I am writing to you not to associate with anyone who bears the name of brother if he is guilty of sexual immorality or greed, or is an idolater, reviler, drunkard, or swindler—not even to eat with such a one.
1Co 6:9 Or do you
not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be
deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate,
nor homosexuals, 1Co 6:10 nor thieves, nor the
covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom
of God.11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you
were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our
God.
Jude 1:7 just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, which
likewise indulged in sexual immorality and pursued unnatural desire, serve as
an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire.
And of course Romans 1: 18-32 which wholly curses homosexuals and homosexuality.
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