***Update***
Beth Moore filled in the pulpit of Lou Giglio's church on Sunday July 1, 2012 and continues to demonstrate her violation of Scripture regarding women not teaching men or having authority (what more authority does one have but when standing behind a pulpit and teaching the Word of God?) over men. She is a feminist and is unable to rightly handle the Word of God.
**Update**
Upset with me because of this post? Please see the update at the bottom of this article.
Kay Arthur. Beth Moore. Priscilla Shirer.
Do you think these are women-only Bible teachers that are pretty solid? Most think so. But take a deeper look (pun intended) and you will find that these women not only violate clear Scripture about women teaching men, but they prove why God prohibits such a thing: they are promoting heresy, particularly that of the Emergent Church Movement like Contemplative Prayer, etc.
Teach Exclusively Women?
One thing that you will find when these women are talking, being quoted, or being touted, is that often it is said that they want "people" to know God, or "people" to know the Word, or they reach millions of "people" or 'households", showing that these women do not teach exclusively and solely to women only. This shows they are violating clear Scripture on the role of women and because they ignore what God says, they too, should be ignored (1Cor. 14) This should be a red flag to fans.
Beth Moore said in a video, “Several years ago Christ began to place a tremendous burden on my heart for the people of God to know the freedom of God.”
Kay Arthur's bio usually reads like this: "Kay reaches more than 80 million people daily through radio and TV and countless more through the Internet as the featured teacher on “Precepts for Life.” She and her husband Jack founded Precept Ministries International in 1970. Today, Precept teaches people in 150 countries and nearly 70 languages how to discover Truth for themselves." It doesn't describe her teaching to women, but "people".
Priscilla Shirer's bio says, "Priscilla is a graduate of Dallas Theological Seminary, with a Master's degree in Biblical Studies. She has been a conference speaker for major corporations, organizations, and Christian audiences across the United States and the world.In 1997, while in seminary, she received a request to facilitate a Bible study at Ziglar Training Systems in Dallas, Texas. It was that day that she met international motivational speaker Zig Ziglar, who became not only her friend but also her mentor. She was asked to come on board as one of the company's motivational speakers and corporate trainers. In this capacity, she has provided training and inspiration to hundreds of companies and their employees across the country and abroad. Still, her desire was simply to teach the Word of God to women. "
If these women taught women exclusively, it would be reflected all the time as such, but it isn't and for good reason. They all believe women can teach men.
Kay Arthur
Kay is one of the leading Bible teachers that is often thought of as solid and grounded in Scripture. This makes her more dangerous.
Kay Arthur taught a mixed audience at
Worldview Weekend. The two sessions, "When A Nation does Not Listen To God" and "Standing Firm In the Last Days" were NOT restricted to women, as the description of the 2009 Conference and
picture of the 2008 prove. In fact, at the bottom of the DVD cover it says "Recorded Live Before a Crowd of 2300 People, at the Branson Worldview Weekend Family Reunion 2009".
Arthur also spoke at an Emergent conference called
Breakforth 2008 on "Spiritual Renewal". Arthur spoke at Breakforth 2008 Conference: Spiritual Renewal: Controlling the Mind, A Hill On which to Die, and Schlepping The Shepherd's Sheep; as well as 4 part series "Spiritual Renewal".. She shared the pulpit with ECM leaders Erwin McManus (
this year's speakers included Chris Shay, Shane Claiborne, Scot McKnight, Leonard Sweet, showing its very Emergent). Audio and listing of her topics to buy
here.
Arthur is to
teach at Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary. This is a liberal seminary, where they have nine
women teaching men (see also
these articles ),
psychoheresy as a field of study, the Charlotte campus is
partnering with Salvation Army (anti-Christian).
Kay Arthur's tv show "Precepts for Life" won the 2009 National Religious Broadcaster's "
Best TV Teaching Program", with no mention of teaching women, but " viewers" and "102 million households". Again, if she was exclusively teaching women, this would be mentioned, but she doesn't and therefore her show is not described as such. Neither does Arthur say things like "women, listen...." or "ladies, I know you might struggle with....". I've seen her show and she does not do this, nor is there any cautionary note at the beginning of the show that this is intended for a female audience. Same is true for her Precepts radio gig.
Arthur might teach at Women's conferences, but she does not teach women exclusively and this needs to be emphasized. Many women think she's solid, but how solid is a woman who teaches men? How much more clear must God be when He says in His Word, 1Ti 2:12 "I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet"?
Beth Moore
Again, touted as a woman who teaches women, many assume she teaches women exclusively. This isn't the case. She started out and continued for years, to teach men in her Sunday School class at church.
Here's the proof from an archived page from her church's website back in 2004:
"Prior to Water's Edge, Beth taught a class for a small group of ladies that began in 1985. The group grew consistently and
in 1997 a small number of men began to attend. At that time, God began to do a new thing, stirring the heart of Beth to move to a new meeting place, meeting time, change the name of the class,
and allow men to attend. Since then, the class has changed locations several times to accommodate the growing number of
singles and couples of all ages that come to hear the inspired teaching of God's Word.
"Beth Moore has been a Sunday School teacher at Houston's First Baptist Church since 1984. She began teaching an aerobics class/bible study combo to a small group of fortunate women.
Now her class, minus aerobic activity,
includes men and women, at all walks and stages of their lives."
Christianity Today article on Moore:
Quote:
"We had her at our church several years ago," says Holder, 60, a member of the large First Baptist Church of Orlando. "I sat there with my mouth hanging open. It took me two weeks to process everything."
"You know that she knows her [heavenly] Father and that it's not fake," Holder adds. "She shares some of her hurts and some of the things she's been through and how God still chose to use her. There's such freedom at her conferences. She says that God has a plan and purpose for each one of us, and that no matter who we are or where we have been, God wants us to live in total freedom."
Moore says her mission is to show Christians that the Bible "still speaks, still transforms, that it has the power to change lives."
Years ago, the work she did at her local church began on a much smaller scale. Friends now say that it was Moore's faithfulness in the small things that laid the foundation for the huge ministry she heads today.
Her calling eventually took on a larger dimension, as Moore stayed involved at First Baptist Church of Houston, a huge Southern Baptist congregation she joined in the early 1980s, and the place
she now teaches a coed Sunday-school class of 600 members and leads a Tuesday-night Bible study that draws more than 3,000 women.
John Bisagno, the former pastor of First Baptist Houston, mentored Moore, He agrees that Moore's balanced approach has made her a stellar teacher.
Bisagno gave Moore opportunities to grow as a teacher by allowing her to speak regularly during the church's Sunday-evening services. Bisagno, who retired three years ago after pastoring in Houston for 30 years, says he can remember Moore frequently coming to him with questions about Scripture. "She would always come to me and ask if this or that was right," he recalls.
Moore wanted to make sure she knew her stuff, and
Bisagno played a big role in her development. Their relationship stands out as unique in a denomination where leaders assert that women should not be pastors or hold prominent positions of leadership over men in a church.
Bisagno, however, said Moore never went against Southern Baptist beliefs. "Beth would be strong to tell you that she doesn't think a woman should be a preacher," he says.
Moore admits she steers clear of denominational issues. "My thing is discipleship," she says. "That's what I love and feel most called to. My part is very undenominational. I'm not really into the [Southern Baptist] political scene."
While Bisagno and others respect
Moore as a prominent spiritual leader, her rise to celebrity status hasn't made life perfect for Moore. Along the way, she's faced deep pain.
End quote.
So far, we don't see Moore herself saying women aren't to be preachers, yet we have her preaching/teaching men every Sunday she's at her church. It appears Moore sees the role of women as merely a denominational and political issue, so rejecting denominationalism, she can ignore not only what the SBC states, more far more importantly, what God says about women teaching men. Very clever!
Photo of Moore talking to a couple at one of her conferences
here.
Moore will be speaking to men and women at the Emergent friendly
Passion 2010 conference (college age, which means grown men).
Moore will be
speaking to a mixed audience at the leadership conference
Influence Conference, in August 2009, sharing the platform with
Sex-
Obssessed,
Modalist friendly Ed Young and ECM friendly Reggie Joiner.
Priscilla Shirer
She is the
daughter of Tony Evans,
promoter of generational curses. His views on
sinning saints is off as well (proceed with caution on these websites).
Shirer's been
heavily influenced by his teaching:
"My father is an extraordinary man, with an extraordinary purpose. God has used him all over the world to do wonderful things for the Kingdom of God. I
have been privileged to sit under his anointed exegetical teaching of the Scriptures since I was a little girl.
I am still a member at the church he founded and serves as senior pastor for over 30 years. In fact, all of my siblings are still members and now our children. "
She is part of this spectacle of nonsense of
The Colour 2010 Conference (see the video which shows from last year). The founder's blurb says: "With a contagious zest for life, Bobbie (founder) passionately
believes in the potential of all people and is devoted to the Cause of Christ. Her and Brian’s
all consuming desire is to place value on humanity. To that end
they labor to see healthy men, women and youth emerge across the landscape of the Church. "
The Conference page says "So keep following the sound... Heaven is watching, Humanity is waiting and today is the day of His glorious salvation across the earth."
This smacks of universal redemptio, however there is no page that explains their doctrine, statement of faith, or anything. Shirer will be a speaker next year again, alongside psychobabblist
Dr Robi Sonderegger.
Women teaching men is A-OK :
To the question: "Priscilla, is it appropriate for women in ministry to have titles like “Reverend.” Can a woman be a pastor of a local church? What does the Scripture teach about women in ministry?" She answers:
Paul very specifically instructs Timothy in the positioning of women in the local church. He tells Timothy in relation to his work at the church at Ephesus, "let a woman quietly receive instruction with submissiveness. But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet" (1 Timothy 2:11-12). The Greek word used here for "quiet" does not mean to say absolutely nothing, but to be "settled down." Paul is saying that women need to "settle down" into the hierarchy that God has established and be comfortable with the position that they have been given in the local church. To try in any way to usurp this authority is to go against the roles He has established and created for the operation of the church. Paul's concern was not about their external title but about their internal level of submission.
Paul goes on to make it very clear in 1 Timothy 3 that the position of overseer of the church or elder is reserved for males when he continues to stress that these people be "men." He even goes so far as to say that they should be "the husband of one wife" (vs 2) which excludes women from this role. So although a woman's chosen title is of little concern to me, I do firmly believe that Scripture is clear in telling us that the position of senior pastor in the local church is reserved for men.
With that being said,
I do not want to in any way diminish the great giftedness of women to teach and preach. Once again, in 1 Timothy 2:12, Paul said that he didn't want a woman to "exercise authority" over a man. His concern is that she understand and submit to the roles that God has established for men and women and the need for her to fall underneath the authority that God has set up in the local church.
If a senior pastor has invited a woman to preach on a Sunday morning or to teach his congregation, then she is effectively under the leadership and the authority of that church and is free to operate in that realm. Remember, position and submission to authority is the issue here not the actual act of preaching or the title that someone has. If a woman feels that God has given her the freedom by God to teach and she is under the authority of the pastor of that church to do so, then she should.
End quote.
This Bible teacher conveniently ignores the whole verse:
1Tim. 2: 11 A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. 1Tim2: 12
I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority
over a man; she must be silent. 13
For Adam was formed
first,
then Eve. 14
And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner. 15 But women will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety.
1Cor. 14: 33 For God is not a God of disorder but of peace.
As in all the congregations of the saints, 34 women should remain silent in the churches.
They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says. 35 If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home;
for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church. 36
Did the word of God originate with you? Or are you the only people it has reached? 37
If anybody thinks he is a prophet or spiritually gifted, let him acknowledge that what I am writing to you is the Lord’s command. 38 If he ignores this, he himself will be ignored.
Being silent would indicate what Paul has also said in 1Timothy: no teaching men. Period. Why? Because Eve was made second after Adam. She was not the leader, he was. She was deceived, Adam was not. The reason women are not to teach men is because they are far more easily led into deception, as we see with these three women, and then will lead others like Eve did.
Let's remember too: women are to submit to their "own husbands". Not the pastor, not elders, but their husband:
1Pe 3:5 For this is how the holy women who hoped in God used to adorn themselves, by
submitting to their own husbands...
Col 3:18 Wives,
submit to your husbands, as is fitting in the Lord.
Eph 5:22 Wives,
submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord.
If a woman who claims to be a Bible teacher cannot rightly handle the Word of God concerning women's roles, then how can she rightly handle anything else?
Women Pretending to Be Pastors Over Women--or pastor-less "house of God"?
Deeper Still in "a house of God" with three women preaching:
video.
These women reflect a growing anti-biblical view of women's roles, that is self-contradictory, as relfected by Mark Driscoll, the beloved Reformed Filthy Goat-Herder:
Source.
This is why these women either teach men in the audience (radio, seminar, tv, church) or they approve of those that do. This is a clear violation of God's command that women are not to have authority or teach men. How sneaky it is of famous Christian women to be famous for teaching men, but in reality do teach men and then justify their sin by claiming they are in submission to their husband or the pastor. If either the pastor or husband tells them its ok for them to teach men, they are also violating clear Scripture as Adam did. Pastors do NOT have the authority to violate Scripture by allowing a woman to teach men.
This is not to be tolerated, no matter how many ways around the command they try. At the end of the day, they are still not submitting to the Master who said they can't teach men.
Contemplative Mysticism
Kay Arthur, Beth Moore, and Priscilla Shirer are helping to
promote Eastern Mysticism by their participation in the "Deeper Still" dvd/conferences (sequal to the Mystical "Be Still And Know" dvd put out a few years ago).
Spoke at an
Emergent conference:
Arthur spoke at
Breakforth 2008 Conference: Spiritual Renewal: Controlling the Mind, A Hill On which to Die, and Schlepping The Shepherd's Sheep; as well as 4 part series "Spiritual Renewal"..
She shared the pulpit with ECM leader Erwin McManus (this year's speakers included Chris Shay, Shane Claiborne, Scot McKnight, Leonard Sweet, showing its very Emergent).
Promo.
Standby for Precepts to become more Emergent Friendly when son
David Arthur takes over. Note at the bottom of the article his "favorite author": The Message author and huge ECM leader, Eugene Peterson. His education also includes a Master's degree from liberal Reformed Theological Seminary.
**Update***
Kay Arthur has signed an eccumenical/inter-faith document, the Manhattan Declaration, which states that Roman Catholics, Eastern Orthodox, and Evangelicals are united in Christ Jesus, all for the cause of social concerns. By doing so, she has rejected the non-negotiables of salvation and justification by faith alone in Christ alone, just to have a larger voice on social concerns. So much for Truth that truly frees.
Before you comment....
Did you read my whole article carefully? Or did you just skim it and got upset because you saw your favorite public teacher/author being tested against Scripture? Do you know how she fails the test? If you don't, you didn't bother to read the entire article where I've laid out with multiple examples of why these women are unbiblical and violate Scripture both in doctrine and in practice.
As King David so clearly professed (in Ps. 139 for example), we should be angry with what makes God angry; be offended when God is offended. If you have an issue, its not with me but God. HE has already spoken.
And remember this: if you are tolerant of these women and defend them even though they violate Scripture both in doctrine and practice, you should at least be consistant and show me the same tolerance and acceptance, right?
