Monday, June 22, 2009

Ricky Warren To Push Inter-faith Relations With Islam Again

Ricky Warren is going to be a guest speaker at the Plainfield-based Islamic Society of North America conference. They're hoping Obama shows up, but I doubt it. Ricky can do his missionary dirty work for him.

The Indy Star reports:

"We are living in a pluralist country. It is critical for us to have positive relationships with people of other faiths," said Sayyid Syeed, a longtime leader with the Islamic Society who focuses on building the organization's interfaith ties. "(Warren) realizes that it is equally critical for him to work with people of other faiths."

Syeed invited Warren during a gathering they attended last year at the White House. Since then, the Islamic Society has introduced Warren to Muslim groups in California, where his 20,000-member church is based."

"ISNA is very interested in extending their connections with Protestant groups," said Rafia Zakaria, an Indiana lawyer and associate editor at altmuslim.com, a Web site that looks at Muslim issues. "Having a figure as high profile as him gives them legitimacy to extend those kinds of alliances with church groups that have a significant amount of power in the United States."

In the past two years, the Islamic Society has forged friendships with the Union of Reform Judaism and the American Baptist Churches, USA.

Warren has conducted workshops with Jewish rabbis, Lee said, offering tips on how to build their congregations, and established ties with the gay rights community in California. He also was unafraid to endure criticism from conservatives about his role in the Obama inauguration.

"He is not a typical isolationist evangelical," Lee said. "He is more of a post-modern leader who is willing to look at new terrain to see how he can extend his leadership and his influence." That such a high-profile evangelist is willing to take risks, Lee said, marks an important moment in American religion.

"ISNA has faced a lot of challenges in recent years," Zakaria said. "It is crucial to them to have these alliances with other faith-based groups."

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Here's the dirty little secret Liberals are too dense to get: Islam isn't peaceful, it isn't tolerant, it isn't pluralistic nor generous. Islam is violent, single-minded, demanding world dominance, and demonic. But they will set out their best "liberal" Muslims to lie to foolish Americans who actually buy that junk, suck them in to accept Islam, and then use them as Western spokespersons for Islam in order to gain a foothold in every country they can.

In an excellent article, Cecil Andrews deals with the reality of Islam. The questions Andrews raises for Obama, should be asked of Warren:

Would a true convert and faithful disciple of the Lord Jesus Christ state that America and Islam share values for justice and progress; tolerance and the dignity of all human beings?

Would a true convert to and faithful disciple of the Lord Jesus Christ give credence to any story that reduces Him to the level of a mere ‘prophet among prophets’, elevates a mere creature to a level greatly above Him and in a spiritual context declares non-Christians to be children of Abraham?

Andrews continues:

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Robert Spencer , one of the bravest and most informed writers on Islam, edited a large book called ‘The Myth of Islamic Tolerance’, a compilation of 58 articles by various other equally informed authors. In one of his own contributions entitled ‘Islamic Tolerance: Myth and Reality’ Mr Spencer wrote on pages 36-44 -

The almost universal prevalence of the myth of Islamic tolerance today has led to a strange phenomenon: non-Muslims hastening to assure the public that the Islam of the terrorists is not the “true Islam” which is they maintain a benign and tolerant thing [The view expressed by Mr Obama in Cairo] … Even stranger are instances when Western non-Muslims have taken it upon themselves to lecture radical Muslims about their supposed misuse of their faith [There are good examples of this by Tony Blair, George Bush and Bill Clinton in the DVD ‘Islam: What the West Needs to Know’]. In November 2003, two American converts to Islam, Jeffrey Leon Battle and Patrice Lumumba Ford, were sentenced to eighteen years in prison for trying to join the Taliban and wage jihad against their fellow Americans. At the sentencing, US district judge Robert Jones scolded Ford: “You do not represent the Muslim faith. Muslims do not engage in the activities you engaged in. You are an insult to that faith”. Such assumptions of course mesh perfectly with the image that many Muslims try to create for themselves in the eyes of the West… no amount of evidence seems to shake the power of the myth of Islamic tolerance in Western public discourse… A typical example came when Bill Graham, Canada’s minister of foreign affairs, called for building bridges of understanding to Muslims as a response to terrorists “exploiting Islam as a pretext for violence”… However the preponderance of Qur’anic [Koranic] testimony favours not tolerance and harmony between Muslims and non-Muslims, but just the opposite… All this leads to the Qur’an’s notorious verses of jihad… In the end, it is the will of Allah that Islam will triumph over all other religions… This is tantamount to a declaration of war, and its spirit pervades the entire Muslim holy book. So far is the Qur’an from modern notions of tolerance and peaceful coexistence that it even warns [as has already been quoted from the Koran] Muslims not to befriend Jews and Christians… This is the Qur’an that pious Muslims cherish and memorise in its entirety… It is nothing short of staggering that the myth of Islamic tolerance could have gained such currency in the teeth of the Qur’an’s open contempt and hatred for Jews and Christians and incitements of violence against them – and a testimony to the ease with which one can convince himself of the truth of something in which one wants to believe, regardless of evidence to the contrary’.

If Mr Obama is a Christian, and on the evidence it is very debatable, he is not one who honours the God of Heaven, Father, Son and Holy Spirit by linking the Lord Jesus Christ to Mohammed and the religion of Islam that he founded, in which His deity and death are denied. John wrote, “The Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world” [1st John 4:14] – Mohammed and Islam deny this truth. The Lord Jesus said in John 5:23, “He that honoureth not the Son, honoureth not the Father who hath sent him” – Mohammed and Islam do not ‘honour’ the Biblical Lord Jesus Christ and His Heavenly Father.

Islam is not tolerant of any view that challenges their teaching on their god, Allah, and it sanctions violence against any who do challenge it. Likewise the one true God of Christianity, whilst He does not tolerate any view that challenges His uniqueness and glory [see Isaiah 42:8] does specifically forbid any violence against those who oppose Him as we have already seen from Matthew 5:43-44. No faithful follower of Christ would ever then seek to align Christianity with Islam as that would represent a gross betrayal of God the Son, the Lord Jesus Christ and this is precisely what Mr Obama did in Cairo.

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Muslims are allowed to lie to gain converts. Its called "Taqiyya". This is on top of the fact that Islam was founded by the Father of Lies, Satan himself. Muhammad was a liar as is Allah ("the greatest of deceivers", the quran says). So its no surprise they lie to dense Westerners that they are willing to open their arms to any and all, when in fact their quran says:

Let not the unbelievers think that they will ever get away. They have not the power to do so. Muster against them all the men and cavalry at your command, so that you may strike terror into the enemy of God and your enemy’ [Sura 8:60]. ‘Make war on them: [Non Muslims] God will chastise them at your hands and humble them’ [Sura 9:14]. ‘I shall cast terror into the hearts of the infidels. Strike off their heads, strike off the very tips of their fingers’ [Sura 8:12].

Andrews rightly points out:

Do we really find such ‘shared common principles’ prevailing in the Muslim areas of the world? In one simple word the answer is a resounding ‘No!’ The over fourteen hundred-year history of Islam attests to a virtually continuous violent campaign to Islamise the whole world and this campaign continues today. ‘Infidels’ [Non Muslims] are viewed as ‘lesser beings’ and the Koran positively sanctions unfriendly attitudes towards in particular Jews and Christians – ‘Believers, Take neither Jews nor Christians for your friends. They are friends with one another. Whoever of you seeks their friendship shall become one of their number. God does not guide the wrongdoers’ [Sura 5:5]

As for the ‘tolerance and the dignity of all human beings’ not only does Islam deny these to ‘Infidels’ it also denies ‘dignity’ to their own Muslim women. On a very basic level, not I hasten to add that I’m in any way approving of polygamy, Muslim men can have up to four wives but a Muslim woman can only have one husband. A Muslim man can divorce a wife by simply making a verbal statement to that effect – a Muslim woman has no such right of divorce. Sexually speaking, Muslim wives are regarded as no better than a ‘field to be ploughed’ whenever or however the husband wishes – ‘Women are your fields: go then, into your fields whence you please’ [Sura 2:223].

As well as the Koran, Muslims also rely heavily on the Hadith, a record of Mohammed’s words and deeds recorded by various Muslim authorities. One such highly respected source is the nine volumes by Sahih Al-Bukhari. In Volumes 1, 2 & 7 we learn how Mohammed said, ‘I was shown hell-fire and that the majority of its dwellers are women’. In Volume 2 we are told Mohammed said to women, ‘I have not seen any one more deficient in intelligence and religion than you’. In Volume 3 we are told that Mohammed asked some women ‘Isn’t the witness of a woman equal to half that of a man?’ The women said “yes”. Mohammed said, ‘This is because of the deficiency of the woman’s mind’. [Source for quotes ‘Islam Unveiled’ (p 31-32) by Abdullah Al-Araby].

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Contrary to Timothy George, Imad Shehadeh, Bill Barrick, Ricky Warren, Robert Schuller, Bill Hybels, George W. Bush, Condelezza Rice, and a host of other professing "Christians", there is absolutely NOTHING in Islam that has any common ground with Christianity whatsoever. There is no commonality between the demon called "Allah" and YAHWEH either. Rather, Scripture proclaims:

2Co 6:14 Do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers. For what partnership has righteousness with lawlessness? Or what fellowship has light with darkness?
2Co 6:15 What accord has Christ with Belial? Or what portion does a believer share with an unbeliever?
2Co 6:16 What agreement has the temple of God with idols? For we are the temple of the living God; as God said, "I will make my dwelling among them and walk among them, and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
2Co 6:17 Therefore go out from their midst, and be separate from them, says the Lord, and touch no unclean thing; then I will welcome you,
2Co 6:18 and I will be a father to you, and you shall be sons and daughters to me, says the Lord Almighty."

2Jn 1:9 Everyone who goes on ahead and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God. Whoever abides in the teaching has both the Father and the Son. 10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house or give him any greeting, 11 for whoever greets him takes part in his wicked works.

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