Tuesday, January 10, 2012

Chuck Smith Sr. Says Good Mormons and Catholics Go To Heaven


I first saw this info here as well as at another website. I verified this through listening iTunes (search "Pastors Perspective" podcasts) since the quality at K-Wave's website was so bad.


Chuck Smith of Calvary Chapel Says “There Are a Lot of Good Mormons Who Do Believe in Jesus and I Believe They'll Be In Heaven”

Nov. 9, 2011 
Time mark 36:07

Don Stewart: Hi you’re on the air go ahead sweetie.
Alexa: My aunt Valerie doesn’t really know the book of Mormon, so will she still go to hell?
Don Stewart: Ok good question. Ok, Alexa’s got an aunt, Chuck, whose, is a Mormon and wants to know if uh the Mormon will go to heaven.
Chuck Smith: It all depends on their relationship with Jesus Christ, and there are a lot of good Mormons who do believe in Jesus and I believe they’ll be in heaven, uh but uh you know we can’t do it on own righteousness or own works, we have to depend on Jesus for our entrance into heaven.

End quote.

Smith's view of Mormonism is also the same as with Romanism (and I believe his view of Romanism lead to his thinking of Mormonism). First of all, all Mormons are lost because they believe in the basic tennants of Mormonism. This is basic knowledge. Mormonism's most basic foundation is that Jesus is NOT eternally God the Son, but rather, a creation and the spirit brother of Lucifer; who's mother Mary, had sex with God the father (who was once a man as we  are) and thus Jesus was born. Mormon's motto is: "As we are, God was. As God is, we will be." They believe that men can work themselves up to be a god of their own planet with their wives being eternally pregnant to populate the planet. They deny the Atonement of Jesus Christ, the Gospel, justification and salvation by grace alone, and they are a cult in both sociological and theological catagories.  For more on the basics of Mormonism, go here

So, for Smith to say good Mormons will go to Heaven is a catastrophic, damnable error. "Good" compared to what? Who? How does he define "good"? No one is good enough to go to Heaven, which is why we need to be justified by the thrice Holy God. Mormons (and all unsaved people) by definition are not good. They are corrupt, wicked, hostile enemies of Christ Jesus. 

Rom 3:10  as it is written, "THERE IS NONE RIGHTEOUS, NOT EVEN ONE
Rom 3:11  THERE IS NONE WHO UNDERSTANDS, THERE IS NONE WHO SEEKS FOR GOD; 
Rom 3:12  ALL HAVE TURNED ASIDE, TOGETHER THEY HAVE BECOME USELESS; THERE IS NONE WHO DOES GOOD, THERE IS NOT EVEN ONE.
Rom 3:13  "THEIR THROAT IS AN OPEN GRAVE, WITH THEIR TONGUES THEY KEEP DECEIVING," "THE POISON OF ASPS IS UNDER THEIR LIPS"; 


2Jn 1:9  Anyone who goes too far and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God; the one who abides in the teaching, he has both the Father and the Son. 10  If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house, and do not give him a greeting; 11  for the one who gives him a greeting participates in his evil deeds. 


If this woman believes what the LDS is telling her about Jesus, Salvation, the Gospel, etc, then it doesn't matter if she's read the Book of Mormon at all. If she doesn't believe the basic dogma of the LDS, then she's not Mormon and she must exit immediately. 

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Chuck Smith Says He Has "The Same Lord and the Same Faith” as His Cousin, Who is a Mother Superior (Nun) in the Roman Catholic Church

Nov 10,2011

Time mark 48:10:


Ben: I uh, I am a loyal listener, I um love going to uh your men’s conferences [Don Stewart: “Good!”] and I fellowship with a bunch of people at Calvary Chapel’s, um I visit Greg Laurie’s Harvest, and I have a question because I sometimes I have a hard time understanding um how I um, communicate with people um of the Protestant faith because I am Catholic, and sometimes we um have communication issues and, they want to get into apologetics and um, you know I love the worship and the fellowship with those - with the different people but um I’m going to hang onto my faith as well, and I am just curios what you think about it.



Don Stewart: OK, good question there Ben in fact were glad your going to these events we’re glad you listen to this program. OK Chuck what about that?

Chuck Smith: Ben I have a cousin who was a Mother Superior in the Catholic Church, and uh, she was just a wonderful Christian, loved her and we had great conversations together, and I didn’t try to convert her from Catholicism nor did she try to convert me uh into becoming a Catholic, its just we both recognize that uh you know we have, we had the same Lord, and the same uh faith ya know and so uh we just uh you know on those things we agreed upon we just agreed upon and we didn’t really bring up the things where there were disagreements.

End. quote.

This shows that he either is clueless about Roman Catholicism (RC) or clueless about the Gospel. One cannot hold to the dogmas of Rome and be a Christian! A "Mother Superior" is a leader in the church, not a mere ignorant occassional visitor. The RCC adds Mary to Christ, works to grace, purgatory to the Cross, the pope to Scripture. It refuses to give SOLE adoration, worship, prayer, trust and credit for salvation to Christ alone. Instead they give it to their Mary, whom they deify (see RCC catechism #487, 971,2146, 2162 for examples). They deny justification by faith alone by adding works(infant sprinkling, eucharist (blasphemy), pennance, indulgences, Hail Mary's, and purgatory). And by the way, according to the prologue of the Catechism, they still uphold the Council of Trent which declares anyone who denies the teachings of Rome, to be anathema. To declare such a false church and its false gospel as "Christian" it horrifying.

Gal 1:8  But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed! 
Gal 1:9  As we have said before, so I say again now, if any man is preaching to you a gospel contrary to what you received, he is to be accursed! 
Gal 1:10  For am I now seeking the favor of men, or of God? Or am I striving to please men? If I were still trying to please men, I would not be a bond-servant of Christ. 

Smith is trying to please his cousin by finding "common ground" (there is none). He won't preach the gospel to her. He'd rather compromise the Truth as well as the soul of another just for the sake of a relationship. That is hatred of the Truth, the Gospel, Christ Jesus, and the soul of one on her way to Hell.


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"Catholics are basically Christian too":

Nov. 23,2011 
Time mark 28:24

Beverly (caller): Yes I have a question, is it right for a Catholic woman to marry a Christian man even though she’s pregnant with his child?
Host: Alright pastor Chuck.
Chuck Smith: Well I don’t uh see that uh, a th, th, well there’s gonna be difficulty, uh ya know it’s it you know ah but if you can resolve the differences, I don’t think that they’rethat great and I think that you’ve probably uh if you’re pregnant with his child you should marry him, and uh, and of course I think that uh, you know its um, ah hh its alright, it can uh, uh you can resolve the differences I and I think that uh it’s it’s uh hehe I know I know of many of of that ya know that, you know you know Catholics are basically Christians too, and uh, so uh, I think that uh ya know what the differences are are much less than uh what a lot of people face and are overcoming in their marriages.
Chuck Smith Jr.: I think the more important questions are, is he a good man and do they love each other?

End quote.

There is so much wrong with this "counsel" its absolutely pathetic.

The fact that Beverly is asking the question tells me she's got some doubt that this is right--which is good. But as with Smith's "counsel" for a woman considering abortion, instead of helping her, he gives her reason to disobey the King's commands.

Notice what wasn't said: nothing about dealing with the sin of adultery and sexual immorality, nothing about being unequally yoked in a relationship with a Catholic, nothing about repenting of their sin, nothing about having the man go to his pastor to confess their sin, repent, and be accountable. 

Marrying an unbeliever won't make a bad, sinful situation better, rather it will make it worse and compound sin upon sin. Again, unequally yoke is NOT the solution to the immorality issue; rather its FURTHER rebellion against God. 

There is no common ground between  Romanists and true Christians. Smith makes it sound like its just minor issues that can be dealt with. This would be true if the professing Christian man is really not a Christian at all--he'd be as lost as his Catholic adulteress. However if he's truly saved, then there's no way to overcome the chasm between the two. Ever. That would be a spiritually adulterous relationship. 

Moreover, Smith Jr. (himself also a mess: he denies a literal Hell--which is to call Jesus Christ a liar since HE proclaimed in fact there is a literal Hell and eternal punishment; he's divorce, and he also had severe "depression" and was suicidal at one point, and is Emergent--these are disqualifications for being an elder/pastor according to Titus 1, 1Tim. 3), chimes in that the "more important" question is if the man is a good man and do they love each other."

There's that word again, "good". Define "good". "Good" compared to who? According to what, exactly? No man is good, according to Rom. 3:10-18. Would a "good" man commit sexual immorality with a woman? Would a "good" man even date a Catholic? Would a "good' man get his adulteress pregnant? Would a "good" man commit spiritual adultery? Good? Hardly.

And the all-important issue for the Smith men: "love". Its all about "love"--whether its a cousin who is enslaved to Roman Catholicism or a an illicit, immoral relationship. Let's ask the same thing:

Is it love to defraud a woman of her purity?
Is it love to sin against one's own body in sexual immorality? 
Is it love to connect with a woman who is lost? 

Is it loving Jesus Christ by being unequally yoked when He said to NOT do so?
Is it loving the soul of another to do such selfish acts like sex outside of marriage?

The answer to the above questions is: NO. 

1Co 13:4  Love is patient, love is kind and is not jealous; love does not brag and is not arrogant, 
1Co 13:5  does not act unbecomingly; it does not seek its own, is not provoked, does not take into account a wrong suffered, 
1Co 13:6  does not rejoice in unrighteousness, but rejoices with the truth; 


Notice v. 6--love dos not rejoice in unrighteousness. Sexual immorality IS unrighteousness. True love, agape love, rejoices with the Truth--that is, truth defined by Scripture.
True love, in v. 5 is not selfish. Having sex outside of marriage is as selfish as you can get. And getting a woman pregnant has now compounded that selfishness--you've just added another person who is going to suffer from your own selfish behavior. Love??? Hardly!

All of this is just more evidence how earthly and unbiblical Chuck Smith Sr.'s  counsel is. He did this same thing when he told "Nikki" to go ahead and have an abortion since the doctors told her they may not survive. It was utterly stunning to hear Smith counsel her with wickedness. This again, wasn't love of a hurting soul, but rather hate of her and the baby. Moreover, it wasn't love of God and His Word either.

Jas 3:13  Who among you is wise and understanding? Let him show by his good behavior his deeds in the gentleness of wisdom. 
Jas 3:14  But if you have bitter jealousy and selfish ambition in your heart, do not be arrogant and so lie against the truth. 
Jas 3:15  This wisdom is not that which comes down from above, but is earthly, natural, demonic. 
Jas 3:16  For where jealousy and selfish ambition exist, there is disorder and every evil thing
Jas 3:17  But the wisdom from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, reasonable, full of mercy and good fruits, unwavering, without hypocrisy



Encouraging people to sin against God is a heinous crime indeed and one God will deal with justly. He will NOT let HIS name be maligned by someone like Smith who is committing mutiny. This  unqualified man is so puddle deep that he can't even offer sound, wise, biblical counsel to those who are lost and/or hurting. His answers are useless, or worse, rebellious and hostile against God's clear Word. This is a man who claims to be a mature pastor--folks we aren't talking about a novice here.  

Its time to reject Calvary Chapel of Costa Mesa and Chuck Smith Sr. (and Jr.). They are empty talkers, devoid of truth and the power of God.


1 comment:

Committed Christian said...

Such unloving things for Smith to say to those people wrestling with very important questions. But unfortunately many pastors and teachers are too afraid to tell people the truth. It makes me angry that these false teachers are even allowed to give their opinions to these and other people.