In "Shariah For Dummies" Nonie Darwish shows just how incapatable Sharia law of Islam is with the US Constitution. Its just a list, but it packs a wallop because it shows just how horrific TRUE Islam is.
Don't be fooled folks. Islam is not peaceful. Its own quran, hadiths, and history, as well as its current state demonstrated this very clearly. What Rick Warren, the IntersectionsInternational, CAIR, George Bush, Condalezza Rice, the Liberals, Obama, or Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf who is heading up the Ground-Zero-In-Your-Face Mosque, ISN'T being truthful nor accurate about what Islam teaches. Their banking you being ignorant and not caring.
How else will they sneak in and use our laws to their advantage against us? Look at Dearborn Michigan.
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Saturday, August 28, 2010
Friday, August 20, 2010
Obama Is No "Devout Christian"
**Update at the bottom of this article.**
Apparently some "evangelical Christians" (Franklin Graham, to be precise) think that Obama is a Christian. His recent endorsement of building a mosque two blocks from Ground Zero on Sept. 11, when Islam declared war on us, has rightly enraged many Americans. Here are a few quotes (in italics) from a story that Obama's administration is putting out there now.
"Now it's obvious that the president has renounced the prophet Mohammed, and he has renounced Islam, and he has accepted Jesus Christ. That's what he says he has done. I cannot say that he hasn't. So I just have to believe that the president is what he has said," Graham continued, adding that "the Islamic world sees the president as one of theirs."
Has he really? He doesn't go to church. He didn't go on Christmas or Easter. He doesn't talk about the Bible or Jesus Christ. Yet he DOES go to mosques on the first dayof Ramadan. He does talk about his "Muslim faith", he endorses terrorists and gives them money, he said America is a Muslim nation. His first interview as president was with a Muslim tv station. He has constantly referred to Islam and its quran and prayers as "beautiful". No such thing with biblical Christianity. And by the way, the Muslim world denounces Christians and the Infidel Westerners, so if Obama was a "Christian" they would no more own him as "one of theirs" as they would own the Roman Catholics as their own. In addition I'll add here that Muslims are allowed to lie. Its called "al-takeyya". So they can lie about anything if its for the good of Islam. And why not? Their god Allah, is "the greatest of deceivers" according to their own quran. So its children will also follow in like manner.
"The president himself has written that his father, Barack Obama Sr., was already a confirmed atheist by the time he was born. His father divorced his mother when Obama was 2 years old, and he had little contact with his father during his childhood."
And what I keep hearing is that his mother was the affirmed atheist. If his father had such little contact with him then why did he write a whole book about a father he barely knew and his dreams? Why was it that he was in Indonesia in a Muslim school (which he happily recounts in the same book)? Interestingly, both parents deplored Christianity.
"He communicates with his religious adviser every single day," Burton said. "There's a group of pastors that he takes counsel from on a regular basis. His faith is very important to him, but it's not something that's a topic of conversation every single day. Burton said the president has talked "extensively" about his faith in the past and "you can bet he'll talk about his faith again." But "making sure Americans know what a devout Christian he is" is not the president's top priority. "
As for being a "devout Christian", how can anyone make such a ridiculous statement? A CHRISTIAN is a member of a local church (as we see repeatedly throughout the NT starting in Acts all the way to Revelation). Not Obama. A CHRISTIAN loves Christ and proclaims Him as Savior and resurrected Lord--the only way, truth, and life. Not Obama. A CHRISTIAN will not give any tolerance or applause nor embrace any part of false religions like Islam. Not Obama. So what does Burton mean, exactly, when he labels his boss as "devout Christian? Not according to Scripture, and not according to Obama's own words and actions.
So let's take a look at all the king's spiritual men:
Jim Wallis, who is anything BUT a Christian. He heads up Sojourners (a liberal organization funded by liberal and DNC supporter George Soros).
As Apprising Ministries reports, Wallis practices pagan Contemplative Spirituality. He wants civility (read: tolerance) toward those who have "hijacked Christianity".
Apprising Ministries also shows that Wallis endorses liberal theologian Harvey Cox's book.
Jeremiah Wright was also one of Obama's religious advisers as his pastor of twenty years. Wright is not a Christian either. He is into politics and racism. Wright has a false gospel that can't save and is full of anger, bitterness and hate.
Who else are Obama's religious advisors that he "meets with every single day"?
Besides Reform Rabbi David Saperstein as well as Cardinal Theodore McCarrick:
Daniel Burke, Religion News Service tells us:
Joshua DuBois
Before stepping into politics, DuBois, 27, was a pastor at small Pentecostal church in Massachusetts, and his approach to the president bears traces of his former calling. DuBois sends daily devotionals to Obama's Blackberry -- often a Bible verse or an excerpt from the Episcopal Book of Common Prayer, or a snippet from the works of theologians Richard and Reinhold Niebuhr, particular favorites of the president.
Denis McDonough
Traveling by the president's side on overseas missions, the 40-year-old Minnesotan is a crucial player in Obama's quest to engage Muslims, find common cause with the Vatican, and restore the country's moral authority.
Rashad Hussain, a 31-year-old White House lawyer
Hussain briefed Obama before his first interview as president -- with Al Arabiya, a television station based in the United Arab Emirates. He has also contributed to Obama's two major speeches to Muslims -- in Ankara, Turkey and Cairo -- offering insights about the history of Islam in America and suggesting suitable verses from the Quran. In naming Hussain as his envoy to the Organization of the Islamic Conference, Obama noted that the young Muslim is a hafiz (someone who has memorized the Quran).
Melissa Rogers
"Her legal and political acumen helped Rogers guide the council's 25 members, who run the theological gamut from Baptist to Hindu, to reach a consensus on more than 60 recommendations for revamping the White House faith-based office, which were presented on Tuesday (March 9)."
Joel Hunter and Sharon Watkins
When Obama wants to pray privately, he has repeatedly called Joel Hunter, a Florida megachurch pastor, and the Rev. Sharon Watkins, president and general minister of the Christian Church (Disciples of Christ).
Politically, Hunter, a registered Republican, and Watkins, who heads a liberal-leaning denomination, may not always agree, but, like Obama, both are committed to transcending traditional barriers.
Lt. Carey Cash - rotation at Camp David
"The pastor who's preached to Obama most often since he became president is a 6-foot-4-inch Southern Baptist Navy chaplain whose great uncle was country music legend Johnny Cash.
Before his stint at Camp David, Cash, 39, was an All-American football player for the Citadel, and a chaplain for the Marine's 1st Battalion in 2003 in the Iraq war, during which he baptized 59 soldiers, including one in Saddam Hussein's former presidential palace in Baghdad. The Memphis native was raised in a deeply religious household -- his mother is a Christian author -- and has harsh words for Muslims, writing in his 2004 book that Islam "from its very birth has used the edge of the sword as the means to convert or conquer those with different religious convictions."
End quote. For the full article go here.
And let's not forget the infamous Rick Warren who prayed to other gods at Obama's inauguration.
"Devout Christian"? Hardly.
***UPDATE***
Author Chuck Morse also has noted some of the same issues as I have. In WND's report he makes some observations:
Quote:
"It's hard to reasonably explain Obama's cold relationship with Israel, his inaction in the face of Iran obtaining a nuclear bomb, his giving a green light to the building of a mosque near where Islamic fundamentalists hijacked passenger planes on September 11, 2001, and made them into missiles to destroy the World Trade Center in Manhattan," says Morse.
One possible explanation, says Morse, is the Islamic principle of Taqiyya – or the sanctioning of hiding one's Muslim faith.
..."Obama is the Christian son of a Kenyan Muslim father and a Kansas mother," writes Hillel Italie. "Born in Hawaii, he lived from ages 6 to 10 in predominantly Muslim Indonesia with his mother and Indonesian stepfather. His full name, Barack Hussein Obama, sounds Muslim to many."
The name "Hussein" doesn't just sound Muslim, says Morse. It is "reserved exclusively for Muslims." In addition, Islamic law upholds that children born to a Muslim father are automatically Muslim, says Morse. The president's stepfather, Lolo Soetoro, was Muslim. Obama's school records indicate that in Indonesia he enrolled as a Muslim in Catholic and Muslim schools, and in his autobiography, he acknowledged studying the Quran in Indonesia.
Morse also refuses to overlook recent insights, noting:
Israel Today quoting Egyptian Foreign Minister Ahmed Aboul Ghefit stating on Nile TV that "the American president told me in confidence that he is a Muslim;"
Obama claiming Islam played a significant role in American history and culture;
Obama crediting Islam with key contributions to the Europe's Renaissance and Enlightenment.
As word of the poll's results blazed out across online news sites, White House spokesman Bill Burton chastened Americans for "not reading a lot of news about what religion the president is."
Morse notes that Obama confessed to converting to Christianity around the dawn of his political involvement, "under the tutelage of the racist anti-American and anti-Semitic pastor Jeremiah Wright," he said.
But leaving Islam, Morse says, is fraught with complications and deadly consequences.
"By converting out of Islam, Obama either became an apostate, a murtadd, in Arabic, or he began engaging in an Islamic-sanctioned deception and thus remained Muslim," says Morse. "If Obama truly left Islam, and actively embraced Christianity, he could be subject to severe penalties under Islamic law including the death sentence. Islamic Shariah law calls for the execution of any Muslim who becomes a murtadd."
End quote.
He's exactly right.
Great quote from Rush Limbaugh: "So nothing is "obvious" about Obama's Christianity, Mr. Burton, and the telltale sign is that you even have to say it. "
Apparently some "evangelical Christians" (Franklin Graham, to be precise) think that Obama is a Christian. His recent endorsement of building a mosque two blocks from Ground Zero on Sept. 11, when Islam declared war on us, has rightly enraged many Americans. Here are a few quotes (in italics) from a story that Obama's administration is putting out there now.
"Now it's obvious that the president has renounced the prophet Mohammed, and he has renounced Islam, and he has accepted Jesus Christ. That's what he says he has done. I cannot say that he hasn't. So I just have to believe that the president is what he has said," Graham continued, adding that "the Islamic world sees the president as one of theirs."
Has he really? He doesn't go to church. He didn't go on Christmas or Easter. He doesn't talk about the Bible or Jesus Christ. Yet he DOES go to mosques on the first dayof Ramadan. He does talk about his "Muslim faith", he endorses terrorists and gives them money, he said America is a Muslim nation. His first interview as president was with a Muslim tv station. He has constantly referred to Islam and its quran and prayers as "beautiful". No such thing with biblical Christianity. And by the way, the Muslim world denounces Christians and the Infidel Westerners, so if Obama was a "Christian" they would no more own him as "one of theirs" as they would own the Roman Catholics as their own. In addition I'll add here that Muslims are allowed to lie. Its called "al-takeyya". So they can lie about anything if its for the good of Islam. And why not? Their god Allah, is "the greatest of deceivers" according to their own quran. So its children will also follow in like manner.
"The president himself has written that his father, Barack Obama Sr., was already a confirmed atheist by the time he was born. His father divorced his mother when Obama was 2 years old, and he had little contact with his father during his childhood."
And what I keep hearing is that his mother was the affirmed atheist. If his father had such little contact with him then why did he write a whole book about a father he barely knew and his dreams? Why was it that he was in Indonesia in a Muslim school (which he happily recounts in the same book)? Interestingly, both parents deplored Christianity.
"He communicates with his religious adviser every single day," Burton said. "There's a group of pastors that he takes counsel from on a regular basis. His faith is very important to him, but it's not something that's a topic of conversation every single day. Burton said the president has talked "extensively" about his faith in the past and "you can bet he'll talk about his faith again." But "making sure Americans know what a devout Christian he is" is not the president's top priority. "
As for being a "devout Christian", how can anyone make such a ridiculous statement? A CHRISTIAN is a member of a local church (as we see repeatedly throughout the NT starting in Acts all the way to Revelation). Not Obama. A CHRISTIAN loves Christ and proclaims Him as Savior and resurrected Lord--the only way, truth, and life. Not Obama. A CHRISTIAN will not give any tolerance or applause nor embrace any part of false religions like Islam. Not Obama. So what does Burton mean, exactly, when he labels his boss as "devout Christian? Not according to Scripture, and not according to Obama's own words and actions.
So let's take a look at all the king's spiritual men:
Jim Wallis, who is anything BUT a Christian. He heads up Sojourners (a liberal organization funded by liberal and DNC supporter George Soros).
As Apprising Ministries reports, Wallis practices pagan Contemplative Spirituality. He wants civility (read: tolerance) toward those who have "hijacked Christianity".
Apprising Ministries also shows that Wallis endorses liberal theologian Harvey Cox's book.
Jeremiah Wright was also one of Obama's religious advisers as his pastor of twenty years. Wright is not a Christian either. He is into politics and racism. Wright has a false gospel that can't save and is full of anger, bitterness and hate.
Who else are Obama's religious advisors that he "meets with every single day"?
Besides Reform Rabbi David Saperstein as well as Cardinal Theodore McCarrick:
Daniel Burke, Religion News Service tells us:
Joshua DuBois
Before stepping into politics, DuBois, 27, was a pastor at small Pentecostal church in Massachusetts, and his approach to the president bears traces of his former calling. DuBois sends daily devotionals to Obama's Blackberry -- often a Bible verse or an excerpt from the Episcopal Book of Common Prayer, or a snippet from the works of theologians Richard and Reinhold Niebuhr, particular favorites of the president.
Denis McDonough
Traveling by the president's side on overseas missions, the 40-year-old Minnesotan is a crucial player in Obama's quest to engage Muslims, find common cause with the Vatican, and restore the country's moral authority.
Rashad Hussain, a 31-year-old White House lawyer
Hussain briefed Obama before his first interview as president -- with Al Arabiya, a television station based in the United Arab Emirates. He has also contributed to Obama's two major speeches to Muslims -- in Ankara, Turkey and Cairo -- offering insights about the history of Islam in America and suggesting suitable verses from the Quran. In naming Hussain as his envoy to the Organization of the Islamic Conference, Obama noted that the young Muslim is a hafiz (someone who has memorized the Quran).
Melissa Rogers
"Her legal and political acumen helped Rogers guide the council's 25 members, who run the theological gamut from Baptist to Hindu, to reach a consensus on more than 60 recommendations for revamping the White House faith-based office, which were presented on Tuesday (March 9)."
Joel Hunter and Sharon Watkins
When Obama wants to pray privately, he has repeatedly called Joel Hunter, a Florida megachurch pastor, and the Rev. Sharon Watkins, president and general minister of the Christian Church (Disciples of Christ).
Politically, Hunter, a registered Republican, and Watkins, who heads a liberal-leaning denomination, may not always agree, but, like Obama, both are committed to transcending traditional barriers.
Lt. Carey Cash - rotation at Camp David
"The pastor who's preached to Obama most often since he became president is a 6-foot-4-inch Southern Baptist Navy chaplain whose great uncle was country music legend Johnny Cash.
Before his stint at Camp David, Cash, 39, was an All-American football player for the Citadel, and a chaplain for the Marine's 1st Battalion in 2003 in the Iraq war, during which he baptized 59 soldiers, including one in Saddam Hussein's former presidential palace in Baghdad. The Memphis native was raised in a deeply religious household -- his mother is a Christian author -- and has harsh words for Muslims, writing in his 2004 book that Islam "from its very birth has used the edge of the sword as the means to convert or conquer those with different religious convictions."
End quote. For the full article go here.
And let's not forget the infamous Rick Warren who prayed to other gods at Obama's inauguration.
"Devout Christian"? Hardly.
***UPDATE***
Author Chuck Morse also has noted some of the same issues as I have. In WND's report he makes some observations:
Quote:
"It's hard to reasonably explain Obama's cold relationship with Israel, his inaction in the face of Iran obtaining a nuclear bomb, his giving a green light to the building of a mosque near where Islamic fundamentalists hijacked passenger planes on September 11, 2001, and made them into missiles to destroy the World Trade Center in Manhattan," says Morse.
One possible explanation, says Morse, is the Islamic principle of Taqiyya – or the sanctioning of hiding one's Muslim faith.
..."Obama is the Christian son of a Kenyan Muslim father and a Kansas mother," writes Hillel Italie. "Born in Hawaii, he lived from ages 6 to 10 in predominantly Muslim Indonesia with his mother and Indonesian stepfather. His full name, Barack Hussein Obama, sounds Muslim to many."
The name "Hussein" doesn't just sound Muslim, says Morse. It is "reserved exclusively for Muslims." In addition, Islamic law upholds that children born to a Muslim father are automatically Muslim, says Morse. The president's stepfather, Lolo Soetoro, was Muslim. Obama's school records indicate that in Indonesia he enrolled as a Muslim in Catholic and Muslim schools, and in his autobiography, he acknowledged studying the Quran in Indonesia.
Morse also refuses to overlook recent insights, noting:
Israel Today quoting Egyptian Foreign Minister Ahmed Aboul Ghefit stating on Nile TV that "the American president told me in confidence that he is a Muslim;"
Obama claiming Islam played a significant role in American history and culture;
Obama crediting Islam with key contributions to the Europe's Renaissance and Enlightenment.
As word of the poll's results blazed out across online news sites, White House spokesman Bill Burton chastened Americans for "not reading a lot of news about what religion the president is."
Morse notes that Obama confessed to converting to Christianity around the dawn of his political involvement, "under the tutelage of the racist anti-American and anti-Semitic pastor Jeremiah Wright," he said.
But leaving Islam, Morse says, is fraught with complications and deadly consequences.
"By converting out of Islam, Obama either became an apostate, a murtadd, in Arabic, or he began engaging in an Islamic-sanctioned deception and thus remained Muslim," says Morse. "If Obama truly left Islam, and actively embraced Christianity, he could be subject to severe penalties under Islamic law including the death sentence. Islamic Shariah law calls for the execution of any Muslim who becomes a murtadd."
End quote.
He's exactly right.
Great quote from Rush Limbaugh: "So nothing is "obvious" about Obama's Christianity, Mr. Burton, and the telltale sign is that you even have to say it. "
Monday, July 19, 2010
Josh McDowell Vs. Nabeel Qureshi: persecution brings exposure to the Truth; compromise feeds the flesh
Php 1:12 Now I want you to know, brethren, that my circumstances have turned out for the greater progress of the gospel, 13 so that my imprisonment in the cause of Christ has become well known throughout the whole praetorian guard and to everyone else, 14 and that most of the brethren, trusting in the Lord because of my imprisonment, have far more courage to speak the word of God without fear.
Below are excerpts from James White's analysis of Josh McDowell's video of his appearance at an Arab Festival. You might recall the recent arrest of four Christians in Dearborn, Michigan, for sharing the Gospel with Muslims there. At that link, you can see the video, which was finally released by the Dearborn PD.
Excerpts from Sharia Love? What is that? By James White
Let's leave aside, for the moment, the inappropriateness of the background music. The accusation that has been repeated for the past number of weeks is simple. How can folks like Josh McDowell get along just fine at the Arabic Festival but Nabeel Qureshi and David Wood can't? I mean, they are all Christians, and clearly, since we have video and audio, even Josh McDowell had cameras and recording equipment, just like David and Nabeel. So how come David, Nabeel, Paul, and Nageen ended up in the slammer, and nobody else did? They must have done something wrong!
Let me be clear here: Nabeel Qureshi handled that situation perfectly. I can only hope that in some small way I helped to prepare him to do that. Nabeel, well done brother.
This leads me to the odd statement made by Josh McDowell in the video posted above: "In two and a half days...not one argument, not one person has raised their voice, not one conflict. Yet every person walking out of here knowing that I believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, and I'd like them to know Him too. That's what makes it all worthwhile." Was Nabeel having an argument? If you call answering those questions an argument, then it must follow that McDowell never explained to anyone what it means for him to "believe in the Lord Jesus Christ" in a way that they can understand how that differs from their own profession of belief in Isa. The fact of the matter is, there is a conflict between Christianity and Islam. All you have to do is read the Qur'an and you will know this. Those young teenagers standing around Nabeel knew it. Their questions reflect it. If you are not talking about the things that separate us, just what are you talking about? In other words, loving, truthful speech to Muslims will be speech that involves conflict. That conflict can be handled with grace, like Nabeel did it, and like I try to to do it as well, but when you avoid the conflict, you are no longer speaking in Christian love.
But here is my real concern.Two times now Josh McDowell has posted a video with the phrase "Sharia love" in it. There is no such thing as sharia love. Ask the persecuted believers languishing in Islamic prisons around the world. Ask those who live in fear of death every day in lands where sharia is practiced. Ask those are beaten for proclaiming the gospel in Muslim lands. Sharia and love do not go together. Sharia is law, sharia is obedience, sharia knows no grace. It is an insult to the persecuted church to pass out fictional literature at an Arabic festival in the United States of America and call it "sharia love." True love, God's love, speaks the truth with clarity. Nabeel Qureshi was showing love to those young Muslim teenagers. May I boldly suggest that to be "nice" to those young men, while allowing them to continue in their soul-destroying deception, is anything but loving? You may well say, "Oh, but we hope to get a chance to talk to them later, in a better context." Who are you to boast about tomorrow? And what is more, please, pray tell, give me some biblical precedent for this. Where did the Apostles engage in the proclamation of the gospel in such a fashion? It seems to me that many of those criticizing Nabeel and David would have criticized Paul for going to Mars Hill, or right into the synagogues (which got Paul arrested, and even beaten, in the most civilized culture of the day, I might add).
Muslims need to hear a clear, clarion, bold, and authoritative proclamation of the gospel of Jesus Christ. They need to hear about a Jesus who is King of Kings, Lord of Lords, their Creator, about Whom they cannot be ambivalent. They do not need a Jesus, or a Christianity, that is soft and warm and gooey and unchallenging to the Islamic denial of its very heart and soul. There is everything good about pursuing relationships with Muslims. But do not confuse that process with evangelism and proclamation. It is the gospel that saves, a gospel that has been clearly proclaimed in language the target audience can understand. And that is what Nabeel Qureshi was doing when the Dearborn PD decided to arrest him for so doing. And after all the proper lawsuits have taken place, and justice (please Lord!) prevails, there is one sobering thought to keep in mind: woe be to any man, any woman, who stands in the way of the heralds of the King. A day of judgment is coming when that King will sit enthroned. Justice will, indeed, be done, if not in this life, surely in eternity itself.
End quote. For the full article and video from McDowell's ministry, go here.
Seems to me it was just an opportunity for Josh McDowell to sign autographs. I agree with what James White. There is huge conflict between Islam and Christianity. In fact, Islam has literally declared war on Christians, as well as Jews, according to the quran itself, not to mention the haddiths.
I have dealt with many Westernized Muslims online and I can tell you they claim to have a Jesus they call Isa, but that man was a Muslim prophet, not the Lord Jesus Christ who is God the Son, the Second Person in the Trinity, who died on the cross for sinners and rose from the dead on the third day according to the Scriptures. You tell them that, you tell them who the real Jesus Christ is, and all bets are off. You tell them the truth about Islam and its false god and works religion, and they get angry. They hate the Bible and they hate God.
McDowell seems to infer that any conflict with Muslims previous to him was because they did something wrong and that he did it "right". I sense him gloating with an attitude of, "See, WE did it right! They love us! We had no problems! Aren't we great!" all the while merely signing books. Seriously, it reeks of PRIDE and false love.
Also, it appears that McDowell thinks that conflict is BAD. That's pretty typical of the American "Christian". However, that was not typical of Christ Jesus nor His disciples and the apostles. In fact, Jesus promised conflict. Really, He promised far worse than that. If conflict is bad, pray tell, what does he think about persecution? Where does that come in to play? Is that then, the fault of the evangelist? Listen to the words of Jesus and compare them to McDowell's gloating of "not one voice was raised, not one conflict":
Joh 15:18 "If the world hates you, know that it has hated me before it hated you.
Joh 15:19 If you were of the world, the world would love you as its own; but because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you.
Joh 15:20 Remember the word that I said to you: 'A servant is not greater than his master.' If they persecuted me, they will also persecute you. If they kept my word, they will also keep yours.
Mat 24:9 "Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and put you to death, and you will be hated by all nations for my name's sake.
Mat 5:10 "Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness' sake, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 5:11 "Blessed are you when others revile you and persecute you and utter all kinds of evil against you falsely on my account.
Mat 5:12 Rejoice and be glad, for your reward is great in heaven, for so they persecuted the prophets who were before you.
Mat 5:13 "You are the salt of the earth, but if salt has lost its taste, how shall its saltiness be restored? It is no longer good for anything except to be thrown out and trampled under people's feet.
Mat 5:14 "You are the light of the world. A city set on a hill cannot be hidden.
Mat 5:15 Nor do people light a lamp and put it under a basket, but on a stand, and it gives light to all in the house.
Mat 5:16 In the same way, let your light shine before others, so that they may see your good works and give glory to your Father who is in heaven.
Joh 15:21 But all these things they will do to you on account of my name, because they do not know him who sent me.
Jas 1:2 Count it all joy, my brothers, when you meet trials of various kinds, 3 for you know that the testing of your faith produces steadfastness.4 And let steadfastness have its full effect, that you may be perfect and complete, lacking in nothing.
Joh 16:33 I have said these things to you, that in me you may have peace. In the world you will have tribulation. But take heart; I have overcome the world."
Apparently then, according to Scripture, conflict for the sake of Christ is not bad; its expected and it is good. Its good because it means that we are proclaiming the Gospel clearly and boldly. Its also good because it means we are representing Christ Jesus well enough so that they identify us with HIM. Its good because it causes us to look to the sufficiency of Christ and God's grace, which will mature us in Him.
Conflict---persecution allows the Gospel to go forth out to the world.
Think about this: with the persecution of Nabeel Qureshi, David Wood, and the few others with him, came great exposure of the Truth!
With the compromise and silence by Josh McDowell, there was nothing. No one has heard a peep. It didn't make national nor international news headlines. It didn't catch the interest of senators or others in leadership.
Like Paul's unfair arrests, Nabeel and his group's arrest was actually for the furthering of the Gospel, starting with: the police who had to review the tapes, moving on to the news organizations, law-makers, bloggers, etc.
What a contrast!
I also note that the worldly, fleshly, inappropriate music for McDowell's video is another indicator of where they were at. It wasn't Christ honoring. It was an attempt afterwards to try to show the "unprofessionals" how its done. He was blowing his horn, patting himself on the back...thank GOODNESS he's not like Nabeel or David! Whew! It was truly a Rick Warren moment.
But what they did, as indicated on their video, wasn't just a pride issue, it using a song about worldly love and having the time of their life in that erros, and applying it to what they did at that festival. That, folks, isn't of God at all. No wonder the Muslims weren't offended by their "Christianity". Erros is the love the Muslims seek (they are motivated by sex with 72 virgins in paradise; they are allowed to have up to four wives, not to mention the absolute demonic perversion of Muhammad). Dumb Westerners are easily swayed by anything except the truth--and the Muslims---count on this---know it. This IS how they infiltrate the West. Arrogant, ignorant, silly "Christians" declaring fleshly love to a group of God-haters caught up in a demonic religion that has NO PROBLEM slicing thei throats....you couldn't get more absurd if you tried.
Below are excerpts from James White's analysis of Josh McDowell's video of his appearance at an Arab Festival. You might recall the recent arrest of four Christians in Dearborn, Michigan, for sharing the Gospel with Muslims there. At that link, you can see the video, which was finally released by the Dearborn PD.
Excerpts from Sharia Love? What is that? By James White
Let's leave aside, for the moment, the inappropriateness of the background music. The accusation that has been repeated for the past number of weeks is simple. How can folks like Josh McDowell get along just fine at the Arabic Festival but Nabeel Qureshi and David Wood can't? I mean, they are all Christians, and clearly, since we have video and audio, even Josh McDowell had cameras and recording equipment, just like David and Nabeel. So how come David, Nabeel, Paul, and Nageen ended up in the slammer, and nobody else did? They must have done something wrong!
Let me be clear here: Nabeel Qureshi handled that situation perfectly. I can only hope that in some small way I helped to prepare him to do that. Nabeel, well done brother.
This leads me to the odd statement made by Josh McDowell in the video posted above: "In two and a half days...not one argument, not one person has raised their voice, not one conflict. Yet every person walking out of here knowing that I believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, and I'd like them to know Him too. That's what makes it all worthwhile." Was Nabeel having an argument? If you call answering those questions an argument, then it must follow that McDowell never explained to anyone what it means for him to "believe in the Lord Jesus Christ" in a way that they can understand how that differs from their own profession of belief in Isa. The fact of the matter is, there is a conflict between Christianity and Islam. All you have to do is read the Qur'an and you will know this. Those young teenagers standing around Nabeel knew it. Their questions reflect it. If you are not talking about the things that separate us, just what are you talking about? In other words, loving, truthful speech to Muslims will be speech that involves conflict. That conflict can be handled with grace, like Nabeel did it, and like I try to to do it as well, but when you avoid the conflict, you are no longer speaking in Christian love.
But here is my real concern.Two times now Josh McDowell has posted a video with the phrase "Sharia love" in it. There is no such thing as sharia love. Ask the persecuted believers languishing in Islamic prisons around the world. Ask those who live in fear of death every day in lands where sharia is practiced. Ask those are beaten for proclaiming the gospel in Muslim lands. Sharia and love do not go together. Sharia is law, sharia is obedience, sharia knows no grace. It is an insult to the persecuted church to pass out fictional literature at an Arabic festival in the United States of America and call it "sharia love." True love, God's love, speaks the truth with clarity. Nabeel Qureshi was showing love to those young Muslim teenagers. May I boldly suggest that to be "nice" to those young men, while allowing them to continue in their soul-destroying deception, is anything but loving? You may well say, "Oh, but we hope to get a chance to talk to them later, in a better context." Who are you to boast about tomorrow? And what is more, please, pray tell, give me some biblical precedent for this. Where did the Apostles engage in the proclamation of the gospel in such a fashion? It seems to me that many of those criticizing Nabeel and David would have criticized Paul for going to Mars Hill, or right into the synagogues (which got Paul arrested, and even beaten, in the most civilized culture of the day, I might add).
Muslims need to hear a clear, clarion, bold, and authoritative proclamation of the gospel of Jesus Christ. They need to hear about a Jesus who is King of Kings, Lord of Lords, their Creator, about Whom they cannot be ambivalent. They do not need a Jesus, or a Christianity, that is soft and warm and gooey and unchallenging to the Islamic denial of its very heart and soul. There is everything good about pursuing relationships with Muslims. But do not confuse that process with evangelism and proclamation. It is the gospel that saves, a gospel that has been clearly proclaimed in language the target audience can understand. And that is what Nabeel Qureshi was doing when the Dearborn PD decided to arrest him for so doing. And after all the proper lawsuits have taken place, and justice (please Lord!) prevails, there is one sobering thought to keep in mind: woe be to any man, any woman, who stands in the way of the heralds of the King. A day of judgment is coming when that King will sit enthroned. Justice will, indeed, be done, if not in this life, surely in eternity itself.
End quote. For the full article and video from McDowell's ministry, go here.
Seems to me it was just an opportunity for Josh McDowell to sign autographs. I agree with what James White. There is huge conflict between Islam and Christianity. In fact, Islam has literally declared war on Christians, as well as Jews, according to the quran itself, not to mention the haddiths.
I have dealt with many Westernized Muslims online and I can tell you they claim to have a Jesus they call Isa, but that man was a Muslim prophet, not the Lord Jesus Christ who is God the Son, the Second Person in the Trinity, who died on the cross for sinners and rose from the dead on the third day according to the Scriptures. You tell them that, you tell them who the real Jesus Christ is, and all bets are off. You tell them the truth about Islam and its false god and works religion, and they get angry. They hate the Bible and they hate God.
McDowell seems to infer that any conflict with Muslims previous to him was because they did something wrong and that he did it "right". I sense him gloating with an attitude of, "See, WE did it right! They love us! We had no problems! Aren't we great!" all the while merely signing books. Seriously, it reeks of PRIDE and false love.
Also, it appears that McDowell thinks that conflict is BAD. That's pretty typical of the American "Christian". However, that was not typical of Christ Jesus nor His disciples and the apostles. In fact, Jesus promised conflict. Really, He promised far worse than that. If conflict is bad, pray tell, what does he think about persecution? Where does that come in to play? Is that then, the fault of the evangelist? Listen to the words of Jesus and compare them to McDowell's gloating of "not one voice was raised, not one conflict":
Joh 15:18 "If the world hates you, know that it has hated me before it hated you.
Joh 15:19 If you were of the world, the world would love you as its own; but because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you.
Joh 15:20 Remember the word that I said to you: 'A servant is not greater than his master.' If they persecuted me, they will also persecute you. If they kept my word, they will also keep yours.
Mat 24:9 "Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and put you to death, and you will be hated by all nations for my name's sake.
Mat 5:10 "Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness' sake, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 5:11 "Blessed are you when others revile you and persecute you and utter all kinds of evil against you falsely on my account.
Mat 5:12 Rejoice and be glad, for your reward is great in heaven, for so they persecuted the prophets who were before you.
Mat 5:13 "You are the salt of the earth, but if salt has lost its taste, how shall its saltiness be restored? It is no longer good for anything except to be thrown out and trampled under people's feet.
Mat 5:14 "You are the light of the world. A city set on a hill cannot be hidden.
Mat 5:15 Nor do people light a lamp and put it under a basket, but on a stand, and it gives light to all in the house.
Mat 5:16 In the same way, let your light shine before others, so that they may see your good works and give glory to your Father who is in heaven.
Joh 15:21 But all these things they will do to you on account of my name, because they do not know him who sent me.
Jas 1:2 Count it all joy, my brothers, when you meet trials of various kinds, 3 for you know that the testing of your faith produces steadfastness.4 And let steadfastness have its full effect, that you may be perfect and complete, lacking in nothing.
Joh 16:33 I have said these things to you, that in me you may have peace. In the world you will have tribulation. But take heart; I have overcome the world."
Apparently then, according to Scripture, conflict for the sake of Christ is not bad; its expected and it is good. Its good because it means that we are proclaiming the Gospel clearly and boldly. Its also good because it means we are representing Christ Jesus well enough so that they identify us with HIM. Its good because it causes us to look to the sufficiency of Christ and God's grace, which will mature us in Him.
Conflict---persecution allows the Gospel to go forth out to the world.
Think about this: with the persecution of Nabeel Qureshi, David Wood, and the few others with him, came great exposure of the Truth!
With the compromise and silence by Josh McDowell, there was nothing. No one has heard a peep. It didn't make national nor international news headlines. It didn't catch the interest of senators or others in leadership.
Like Paul's unfair arrests, Nabeel and his group's arrest was actually for the furthering of the Gospel, starting with: the police who had to review the tapes, moving on to the news organizations, law-makers, bloggers, etc.
What a contrast!
I also note that the worldly, fleshly, inappropriate music for McDowell's video is another indicator of where they were at. It wasn't Christ honoring. It was an attempt afterwards to try to show the "unprofessionals" how its done. He was blowing his horn, patting himself on the back...thank GOODNESS he's not like Nabeel or David! Whew! It was truly a Rick Warren moment.
But what they did, as indicated on their video, wasn't just a pride issue, it using a song about worldly love and having the time of their life in that erros, and applying it to what they did at that festival. That, folks, isn't of God at all. No wonder the Muslims weren't offended by their "Christianity". Erros is the love the Muslims seek (they are motivated by sex with 72 virgins in paradise; they are allowed to have up to four wives, not to mention the absolute demonic perversion of Muhammad). Dumb Westerners are easily swayed by anything except the truth--and the Muslims---count on this---know it. This IS how they infiltrate the West. Arrogant, ignorant, silly "Christians" declaring fleshly love to a group of God-haters caught up in a demonic religion that has NO PROBLEM slicing thei throats....you couldn't get more absurd if you tried.
Thursday, May 06, 2010
Driscoll's Spokesman Slams Christian, Defends Islam
2Co 11:4 For if someone comes and proclaims another Jesus than the one we proclaimed, or if you receive a different spirit from the one you received, or if you accept a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it readily enough.
Slice of Laodicea reports:
“In any case, Bogardus then breaks ranks, calling Schlueter an “extremely anti-muslim right-wing fanatic with a bone to pick with Mars Hill.” Interfaith dialogue between Muslims and evangelical Christians is a good thing, he adds. As for CAIR’s alleged ties to Hamas, Bogardus says he doesn’t know enough to say. Mars Hill, he says, “doesn’t currently keep up with extremist groups and their ties.”
–quote from Nick Bogardus, spokesman for Mark Driscoll, that appeared in a post today in the Seattle Weekly. The post was in regard to the Harambee (Acts 29 Network) Church’s interfaith service, co-sponsored with Muslim Hamas front group, CAIR.
My response: Well, Mark, Nick, if you “currently don’t keep up with extremist groups and their ties,” now would be a good time to start, particularly in light of your support for “Interfaith” meetings with Islamic groups that are so tied to terrorism that the FBI won’t even work with them. Evangelicals are the useful idiots Islamists are using to promote their Islam-lite in America. It will come back to bite.
End quote.
Well said.
Ah, Piper's circle of friends. So loving of error and hateful of Truth. They rather defend Islam and slam a Christian woman. How typical.
Acts 29 and Driscoll's minions are nothing more than adolescent liberals who don't want anyone to "be the boss of me"--always trying to be rebellious and cool, but in reality they are shameful, foolish, and prideful, speaking perverse things and are in impediment to the Gospel. In a word: they aren't Christians.
Rom 16:17 I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught; avoid them. 18 For such persons do not serve our Lord Christ, but their own appetites, and by smooth talk and flattery they deceive the hearts of the naive.
Slice of Laodicea reports:
“In any case, Bogardus then breaks ranks, calling Schlueter an “extremely anti-muslim right-wing fanatic with a bone to pick with Mars Hill.” Interfaith dialogue between Muslims and evangelical Christians is a good thing, he adds. As for CAIR’s alleged ties to Hamas, Bogardus says he doesn’t know enough to say. Mars Hill, he says, “doesn’t currently keep up with extremist groups and their ties.”
–quote from Nick Bogardus, spokesman for Mark Driscoll, that appeared in a post today in the Seattle Weekly. The post was in regard to the Harambee (Acts 29 Network) Church’s interfaith service, co-sponsored with Muslim Hamas front group, CAIR.
My response: Well, Mark, Nick, if you “currently don’t keep up with extremist groups and their ties,” now would be a good time to start, particularly in light of your support for “Interfaith” meetings with Islamic groups that are so tied to terrorism that the FBI won’t even work with them. Evangelicals are the useful idiots Islamists are using to promote their Islam-lite in America. It will come back to bite.
End quote.
Well said.
Ah, Piper's circle of friends. So loving of error and hateful of Truth. They rather defend Islam and slam a Christian woman. How typical.
Acts 29 and Driscoll's minions are nothing more than adolescent liberals who don't want anyone to "be the boss of me"--always trying to be rebellious and cool, but in reality they are shameful, foolish, and prideful, speaking perverse things and are in impediment to the Gospel. In a word: they aren't Christians.
Rom 16:17 I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught; avoid them. 18 For such persons do not serve our Lord Christ, but their own appetites, and by smooth talk and flattery they deceive the hearts of the naive.
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