Thursday, April 01, 2010

John Piper and Rick Warren: inviting Warren says a lot more about Piper than it does about Warren

Error is like leaven, of which we read, ‘A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.’ Truth mixed with error is equivalent to all error, except that it is more innocent looking and, therefore, more dangerous. God hates such a mixture! Any error, or any truth-and-error mixture, calls for definite exposure and repudiation. To condone such is to be unfaithful to God and His Word and treacherous to imperiled souls for whom Christ died.” - Dr. Harry Ironside, pastor of Chicago’s Moody Memorial Church from 1930-1948

If Warren is teaching a “gospel” that is void of essential truth...and he does
If Rick Warren teaches a “gospel” that makes man the center and not Christ…and he does
If Warren is promoting Easter Mysticism…and he does
If Rick Warren promotes Roman Catholicism…and he does
If Rick Warren shares the platform with homosexuals and their organizations…and he does
If Rick Warren shares the pulpit with Word of Faith heretics…and he does
If Rick Warren promotes the Emergent Church Movement…and he does
If Rick Warren lied about his Syrian trip…and he did
If Rick Warren approves of women pastors…and he has
If Rick Warren steers his followers away from studying Scripture…and he does
If Rick Warren distorts and twists Bible verses taking them out of context and misapplying them…and he does

...then the man is a false teacher. 2 Peter 3: 16b “ There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures.”

Is. 8 20 To the law and to the testimony! If they do not speak according to this word, they have no light of dawn.

A person can be a heretic by what he doesn't say as much as by what he does say.

You can tell a lot about a man by the company that he keeps.

A while back Ingrid Schlueter wrote in part:

I want to warn readers. Rick Warren, the master of the dialectic method, is on an extremely clever public relations campaign. He is moving on to his next phase—the political one. You may have read Warren’s quote this week that the “social gospel is Marxism in Christian clothing.”

Rick Warren uses a key part of the Hegelian dialectic method so foundational to the very Marxism he decries. It’s called the Law of the Unity and Struggle of Opposites. I quote:

"Between the opposites in a contradiction there is at once unity and struggle, and it is this that impels things to move and change.”–Chairman Mao Tse -tung

... Warren believes that contradictory opposites, like the Marxists have said, don’t have to drive the sides apart. Out of this struggle can emerge something new that will save the planet.
This is an irreconcilable difference–being pro-life and pro-death. Rick Warren wants us to believe that out of the two opposing sides, out of the struggle, there can be eventual unity and progress. That there can emerge a synthesis. That you can claim to stand for life while promoting death. That you can claim to oppose Marxism while you follow its foundational philosophical tenants. That you can claim to be opposed to the “social gospel” while being the very embodiment of it.

End quote.

A you read the quotes and look at what Warren says, comparing it to what Piper says Warren told him in a phone conversation, I want you to remember this form of manipulation/indoctrination.

After choosing Tricky Ricky Warren to be a speaker at I-Don't-Know-What-Kind-of-God Conference for October, 2010, he then he asks Warren about the contraversial issues for clarification/defense of his decision. His defense at the end shows that the pride issue he claimed he has in his statement regarding his semi-isolation to work on his marriage, is still intact. This is the thing I knew was alive and well and he confirmed it in this video. He is defiant defense of these awful anti-Christ men (X-rated Mark Driscoll, Federal Visionist Douglas Wilson, Rick Warren, Paul Cussing Tripp) he offers as spiritual teachers to his fans.

Here is Piper's pathetic defense . In it he reflects the arrogance of the adolescent Emergents he loves to "hang out with". I am pulling out some glaring error from this video to show that what Warren supposedly told Piper is not in line with previous things Warren has said or written.

Issue: God's sovereignty. Warren told him he believes in it. Does he really?

The Truth:
Warren in his 2008 interview with beliefnet:"No body works correctly – we all have problems with our bodies. The weather doesn’t work correctly – tornados and hurricanes and stuff like that. It’s the result of living on a broken planet. That’s why we’re to pray “Thy will be done in earth as it is in heaven” ‘cause in heaven it’s done perfectly...God’s will is not done most of the time on earth. When people go, “oh, that hurricane must have been God’s will” – baloney! That wasn’t God’s will. God’s will is not done most of the time. If I go out and get drunk and run over a pregnant mother and kill her and her baby, that’s not God’s will, that’s my will." ~Rick Warren

This is such a huge issue, I want to point out some verses that destroy such nonsense right now:

Act 1:16 "Brothers, the Scripture had to be fulfilled, which the Holy Spirit spoke beforehand by the mouth of David concerning Judas, who became a guide to those who arrested Jesus.

Act 4:27 for truly in this city there were gathered together against your holy servant Jesus, whom You anointed, both Herod and Pontius Pilate, along with the Gentiles and the peoples of Israel, 28 TO DO WHATEVER YOUR HAND and YOUR PLAN had PREDESTINED to take place.

Ps. 33: 8 Let all the earth fear the LORD; let all the people of the world revere him. 9 For He spoke, and it came to be; He commanded, and it stood firm. 10 The LORD foils the plans of the nations; He thwarts the purposes of the peoples. 11 But the plans of the LORD stand firm forever, the purposes of his heart through all generations.

Isa 46:10 declaring the end from the beginning and from ancient times things not yet done, saying, 'MY counsel SHALL STAND, and I WILL ACCOMPLISH ALL my purpose,' 11 calling a bird of prey from the east, THE MAN OF MY COUNSEL from a far country. I have spoken, and I will bring it to pass; I have purposed, and I will do it.

Psa 148:7 Praise the LORD from the earth, you great sea creatures and all deeps, 8 fire and hail, snow and mist, stormy wind fulfilling his word!

Rick Warren man-centered:

“At our Easter services in the last three years more than 5,000 people opened their lives to Christ - because YOU [original emphasis] invited them! It's almost guaranteed that if you bring those you care about to a Saddleback Easter service, they will come to know Jesus.” ~Source

Issue: PDL's right! "Its not about you."

The Truth:

Richard Bennett, a Sovereign Grace pastor and former RCC priest, assesses Warren’s PDL gospel:

Although Warren states that the book is “not about you” (p. 17), the main focus is persistently on building up one’s “self worth”. He continually appeals to the reader’s self-interests. The following are some examples,

“The way you see your life shapes your life. How you define life determines your destiny” (p. 41). “You are a bundle of incredible abilities, an amazing creation of God. Part of the church’s responsibility is to identify and release your abilities for serving God” (p. 242). “The best use of your life is to serve God out of your shape. To do this you must discover your shape, learn to accept and enjoy it, and then develop it to its fullest potential” (p. 249).

This equates exactly with the Hinduism in its teaching, “By understanding your true Self, by coming to know one’s own undying soul, one then arrives at the knowledge of Brahman itself…”24 While Warren’s teaching is comparable with Hinduism, the most likely source of Warren’s teaching is Carl Jung. Discovering one’s “power of the inner voice” or one’s fullest potential is what Jung taught, “Only the man who can consciously assent to the power of the inner voice becomes a personality.”25 What is much more serious is that Warren’s teaching has the same basic premise as Roman Catholicism. The Vatican’s official foundational starting point is man himself.

But Warren does not stop here with his adulation of man. The height of his glorification of man is found in the statement that makes the personal worth of the reader the purpose of Christ’s death on the cross. In doing so, “self-worth” is pushed to the point not only of perverting the Gospel but also of insulting the Lord Himself. Warren states, “If you want to know how much you matter to God, look at Christ with his arms outstretched on the cross, saying, ‘I love you this much! I’d rather die than live without you’” (p. 79).

End quote.

Here is a side by side comparison of the PDL against Scripture by Bob Dewaay.

Issue: "I am not a universalist"

The Truth:

I happen to know people who are followers of Christ in other religions.” —Rick Warren, Aspen Ideas Festival, The Aspen Institute, July 6, 2005, “Discussion: Religion and Leadership,” with David Gergen and Rick Warren

“...You may be Catholic or Protestant or Buddhist or Baptist or Muslim or Mormon or Jewish or Jain, or you have no religion at all. I’m not interested in your religious background. Because God did not create the universe for us to have religion. He came for us to have a relationship with him.” —Rick Warren, United Nations, Interfaith Prayer Breakfast, September 2005

"Warren is part of the ultra-conservative Southern Baptist Convention, and all his senior staff sign on to the SBC's doctrines, such as the literal and infallible Bible and exclusion of women as senior pastors. Yet Warren's pastor-training programs welcome Catholics, Methodists, Mormons, Jews and ordained women." - USAToday

Warren is panentheistic tendency: Lighthouse Trails Research reports:


Rick Warren Sends Confusing New Age Message: “God is in everything”Out of the fifteen different Bible versions Rick Warren uses in The Purpose Driven Life, he chooses to cite Ephesians 4:6 from a new translation that erroneously conveys the panentheistic New Age teaching that God is “in” everything. According to New Age leaders, this teaching is foundational to the New Age/New Spirituality.2 Yet of these fifteen Bible versions Warren uses in his book, he chooses the New Century Version that has potentially misled millions of Purpose Driven readers to believe this key New Age doctrine that God is “in” everything. Regarding God, Warren writes:

The Bible says, “He rules everything and is everywhere and is in everything”

The New Century Version quoted by Rick Warren verbalizes what A Course in Miracles and my other New Age books taught me years ago—that God is “in” everyone and everything. This completely misrepresents what the apostle Paul is saying in Ephesians 4:6. In Deceived on Purpose, I explain:

In this Scripture Paul is not writing to the world at large. The book of Ephesians is Paul’s letter to the Church of Ephesus and to the faithful followers of Jesus Christ. In Ephesians 1:1 he makes it clear that he is writing to “the saints which are at Ephesus, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus.”

According to properly translated Scripture, God is not “in” everyone and everything, and God’s Holy Spirit only indwells those who truly accept Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior (John 14:15-17; Acts 5:32).

End quote.


The Oxford Dictionary of the Christian Church (sic)(1974) identifies the difference between pantheism and panentheism: Pantheism is “the belief or theory that God and the universe are identical”; panentheism is “the belief that the Being of God includes and penetrates the whole universe, so that every part of it exists in Him, but. . . that His Being is more than, and is not exhausted by, the Universe.” ~Source

No need to evangelize the Jews: '“Warren managed to speak for the entire evening without once mentioning Jesus — a testament to his savvy message-tailoring…“Warren told Wolfson his interest is in helping all houses of worship, not in converting Jews. He said there are more than enough Christian souls to deal with for starters....The success of Warren’s second book, “The Purpose-Driven Life” (Zondervan, 2002), demonstrates his ability to turn a particular gospel into a universal one.” ' Source


Warren demands to work together with Muslims on an inter-faith project.

Rick signed the unity letter to the Muslims, declaring that Christians and Muslims worship the true God.

Warren spoke to the terrorist-backing Islamic Society of North America.

Purpose Driven Catholics.

Issue: Rick Warren "is an evangelist".

The Truth:

John MacArthur on PDL: "some significant points where the thrust of the book is [at] odds with the message of Scripture. He pointed out, for example, that the true gospel is a call to self-denial, not self-fulfillment. The gospel is a message about redemption,not about life's purpose. The gospel according to Scripture deals with God's law, His grace,human depravity, redemption from sin, justification, sanctification, holiness, the nature ofsaving faith, and the lordship of Christ. And the true gospel's most essential features are thecross of Christ and the truth of the resurrection. None of those subjects is dealt withadequately or biblically in The Purpose-Driven Life."--Grace To You Statement

“[W]e don’t need to care about redemption, the cross, repentance. All we need to do is redeem the social structures of society and if we make those social structures better the world will become a better place,” explained Warren as he described the beliefs behind those who support the "social gospel," in his interview with, which was posted Monday. “Really in many ways it was just Marxism in Christian clothing,” he criticized. “[I]t was in vogue at that time that if we redeem society then man will automatically get better. It didn’t deal with the heart.” ~Source.

Remember that he IS the poster-child of social gospelism. He's pulling that the Law of the Unity and Struggle of Opposites:

Social Gospel is "Marxism in Christian Clothing" Warren said: but consider this:

Marxist use of the dialetic method:
A while back Ingrid Schlueter wrote in part at Slice of Laodicea:
I want to warn readers. Rick Warren, the master of the dialectic method, is on an extremely clever public relations campaign. He is moving on to his next phase—the political one. You may have read Warren’s quotethis week that the “social gospel is Marxism in Christian clothing.”

Rick Warren uses a key part of the Hegelian dialectic method so foundational to the very Marxism he decries. It’s called the Law of the Unity and Struggle of Opposites. I quote:

"Between the opposites in a contradiction there is at once unity and struggle, and it is this that impels things to move and change.”–Chairman Mao Tse -tung
End quote.

The Atonement:

Warren's Mulligan Theory of the Atonement: A False Gospel? He thinks Jesus came to give us a "do-over".


Rick Warren said on Hannity’s show in 2008, on how to get to heaven: “Give as much of yourself as you understand to as much as you understand about Me and then keep growing in it.”

Warren, like a bad used car salesman is trying to sell the gospel via bullet point benefits. Once again Warren skirts the issue of man's sin and rebellion against God and he doesn't call men to repentance and faith in Jesus Christ but instead asks non-believers to "give Jesus a 60 day trial" claiming that "if Jesus doesn't change your life then you can get your money back". - A Little Leaven

Justification by works/ Pelagianism

In his interview with Beliefnet: "But going back to this thing about heaven and getting into a perfect place. Let’s say we got a scale of 1 to 100. Let’s put Hitler at zero and Mother Teresa at 100 OK. And Steve you’re at 85 and Larry’s at 65 and I’m at 45. The truth is, some people are better than others, there’s no doubt about it. Some people are more moral than others, they’re nicer, they’re less selfish, less self-centered, things like that. But the truth is, nobody makes [it] to perfection… And so somebody’s got to make up that difference. And that’s the gift I believe Jesus came to – to make up the difference between my zero and my 100 or my 45 and 100 -- somebody’s got to make up that difference.

This "evangelist" thinks that dirty, secular comedy at Saddleback to bring in more goats.

Issue: He's baptist.

The Truth:

No he's not! He's not even a Christian, much less a Baptist! Real baptists--real Christians--believe that the local church is exactly what God says it is: a local group of saved people called out of the world, to worship and minister corporately together under the leadership of elders/pastors, along with deacons. They proclaim Christ alone, repentance, faith, grace, foresaking all others, dying to Self, hold the Word above all else. That's not what Warren does.

Issue: No Women Elders "Women have all the spiritual gifts, and they have all the gifts of pastoring" - Piper (Warren?). 1:40 "He's totally there". He doesn't believe in women "holding the office of elders."

The Truth:

Note the slight of tongue: "not hold the office" of elders. He doesn't say women can't teach men, even though the Bible makes it abundantly clear they are not to teach nor have authority over women (1Tim 3).

"Warren is part of the ultra-conservative Southern Baptist Convention, and all his senior staff sign on to the SBC's doctrines, such as the literal and infallible Bible and exclusion of women as senior pastors. Yet Warren's pastor-training programs welcome Catholics, Methodists, Mormons, Jews and ordained women." - USAToday

“Dr. Katie Brazelton, Ph.D., M.Div., M.A., is the author of the runaway-selling, Pathway to Purpose™ for Women series (four books and an audio), with her recent, best-selling anchor book being translated into eight languages. She is the founder of Pathway to Purpose Ministry (PTPM), the new international training vehicle for Christian women to become Life Purpose Telephone Coaches® and intensive, two-day life purpose facilitators. For years prior to Katie’s book series’ launch in 2005, she was director of women’s Bible studies, director of Golden Gate Theological Seminary, and a licensed minister, all at Saddleback Church.”~Source

Warren spoke at National Pastors Convention which includes women pastors:
National Pastors Convention 2004 site: Look at the list of names—it includes women speakers and the topics are pro-Emergent Church Movement. In addition they have a prayer labyrinth each year.

Both Kay and Rick Warren taught at the Robert Schuller Institute.

Issue: "He believes in repentance."

The Truth:

I see Piper pushing MacArthur back on this. In fact, this is almost an in-your-face to his "friend". If Warren "totally believes in the necessity of repentance" then why for heaven's sake is it not in a book supposedly about the gospel?? Why is it missing from his church's statement of faith? Warren is tickling Piper's itching ears--the snake is mesmorizing Piper, telling him everything he wants to hear, so he can get his hand into the vast audience of Piperville. Tricky is no dumby; he sees $$$$$ if he can get in.

At Saddleback Community Church's statement of faith page there's no mention of repentance.

[In addition, SCC declares man has "tremendous potential for good". This is a slap in the face of God who declares "There is NONE that is good. No, not one" in Romans 3. This is a bold declaration of the denial of total depravity which Romans 3 and Eph. 2 clearly declare...and supposedly Piper holds to the "T" of total depravity in the TULIP. Has the man never read Warren's church's statement of faith? Same webpage conveniently omits that Hell is a place of punishment, to be thrown into the lake of fire for eternal torment.]

John MacArthur on Warren’s PDL makes mention of...

“... some significant points where the thrust of the book is [at] odds with the message of Scripture. He pointed out, for example, that the true gospel is a call to self-denial, not self-fulfillment. The gospel is a message about redemption, not about life's purpose. The gospel according to Scripture deals with God's law, His grace, human depravity, redemption from sin, justification, sanctification, holiness, the nature of saving faith, and the lordship of Christ. And the true gospel's most essential features are the cross of Christ and the truth of the resurrection. None of those subjects is dealt with adequately or biblically in The Purpose-Driven Life.”

Rather than sin being shown to be an evil of infinite significance because it is committed against the infinite Holy God, Warren’s pop psychology defines sin as acts of people "sabotaging their own success." - Richard Bennett

Issue: "I'm Not Emergent"

Warren supposedly sees Brian McLaren as "off the charts old fashion liberalism" as he tells Piper.

The Truth

Rick Warren pushes Contemplative Spirituality which is a major component of the Emergent Church Movement.

As Bob DeWaay notes in his article:"Warren also promotes 'breath prayers' which are endless repetitions of short phrases (Warren: 89). Jesus forbids this type of prayer: “And when you are praying, do not use meaningless repetition, as the Gentiles do, for they suppose that they will be heard for their many words” (Matthew 6:7). It is a pagan practice that has the effect of shutting down the mind. Warren suggests that God will share His secrets with us if we follow Warren’s techniques (Warren: 91). He promises that the meditative techniques he promotes will “let God speak to you” (Warren: 91). He says, “In the next chapter we will see four more secrets of cultivating a friendship with God” (Warren: 91)."

For more on Warren and breath prayers go here.

Warren also endorses other aspects of the Emergent Church Movement including some of its more infamouse leaders like Richard Foster and Dallas Willard.

Rick Warren spoke at the July 2005 Aspen Institute, an organization that promotes the New Age.

Issue: "Zero faith in politics"

The Truth:

Warren also supports Barack Obama, a pro-abortion politician and had him in his pulpit at Saddleback.

Warren supported, then lied about supporting Prop. 8 here in California which was to keep marriage between one man and one woman and not allowing homosexuals to "marry".

Warren's PEACE plan includes interfaith and politics. He joins hands with Tony Blair for interfaith projects.

Let's not forget Warren praying to the false gods Allah and Isa at Obama's inagauration.

Issue: I'm going to need help to know why I should feel bad about this decision.~Piper on inviting Warren

The Truth:

Warren is pro-homosexual

“Endorses radical liberal homosexual activists --Monday, July 31, 2006 Rick and Kay Warren among speakers at AIDS 2006 ecumenical and interfaith pre-conference in Toronto. Faith-based groups plan to deliver at 16th International AIDS Conference after disappointing UN and G8 efforts on HIV/AIDS…The Ecumenical Advocacy Alliance provides overall coordination and support for faith-based participation through its secretariat and several international planning committees…The Warrens donate 90 percent of their income through three foundations addressing HIV and AIDS, poverty, and church leader training. " ~ Source

More than 80 gay and lesbian pastors and lay leaders from the Metropolitan Community Churches participated in this year’s Robert Schuller Institute for Successful Church Leadership at the Crystal Cathedral in Garden Grove, California. Key speakers included the founders and pastors of evangelical super-churches such as Willow Creek Community, Saddleback Valley Community, and Skyline Wesleyan of San Diego. All three books on church leadership that the MCC’s monthly for March recommended are evangelical books, two from Zondervan and one from Thomas Nelson. “ –Source

Rick Warren celebrates homosexual fathers on Father's Day.

Gushes over lesbian activist at Muslim gather. Yup, he didn't bother to proclaim Jesus Christ as God the Son, the Only way of salvation nor did he tell the Muslims they were lost and earning Hell.

The Missing Holy Spirit in Warren's PEACE plan:

"What is startling about Rick Warren's Global P.E.A.C.E. Plan is not so much what it contains, but what it does NOT contain. There is no mention of our Adversary in spiritual warfare. There is no mention of the Holy Spirit in Rick Warren's Global P.E.A.C.E. Plan. Bob DeWaay exposes this fatal flaw in his new book Redefining Christianity, Chapter Nine, Understanding the Purpose-Driven Movement, 21st Century Press, 2006.

Rick Warren and his wayward sheep, porn-promoter Rupert Murdoch:


Mega-pastor Rick Warren is being challenged by other Christian leaders for not disciplining a prominent member of his California Saddleback Church flock for being one of the world's leading pornographers.

"Rupert Murdoch is a born-again Christian and Rick Warren claims to be his pastor," says Chris Rosebrough, head of the Christian Accountability Network. "As a Christian, Murdoch is committing an egregious sin by owning, expanding and profiting from pornographic channels, and Rick Warren, his pastor, has a biblical duty to call Murdoch to repentance and/or put him out of the church."

In a Nov. 12, 2006, Orange County Register story, Warren was asked about pastoring a man who publishes tabloids featuring topless women. He responded: "I don't have to agree with 100 percent of what another person does in order to work with them on the 20 percent that we do agree on."

The article also points out Murdoch was among the first patrons to support Warren's PEACE plan, contributing $2 million.

End quote.

He's a liar:

Rick Warren was caught lying about his promotion of a “Christian tolerant” Syria by WorldNetDaily news organization. He lied about the video tape existing, when in fact it was not only show on YouTube, but at his own church, causing a ruckus among his own fans.

WND exposes Warren in Syria saying it’s a place of tolerance.

Warren shows video of Syrian clip he earlier denied.

Let's not forget Rick's manipulation for $900,000 on December 31,2009. He got over $2 million only to put in a bid for Schuller's Cyrstal Cathedral's retreat property a couple of months later.

As for Piper's hate of the doctrine of separation, let's look at what Scripture says:

Do not be deceived: "Bad company ruins good morals." (1Co 15:33)

Pro 4:14 Do not enter the path of the wicked, and do not walk in the way of the evil.

2Th 3:14 If anyone does not obey what we say in this letter, take note of that person, and have nothing to do with him, that he may be ashamed.

Mat 18:17 If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church. And if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector.

1Co 5:11 But now I am writing to you not to associate with anyone who bears the name of brother if he is guilty of sexual immorality or greed, or is an idolater, reviler, drunkard, or swindler--not even to eat with such a one.

2Jo 1:10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house or give him any greeting, 11 for whoever greets him takes part in his wicked works.

1Cor. 14 38 If he ignores this, he himself will be ignored.

2Tim. 4: 14 Alexander the metalworker did me a great deal of harm. The Lord will repay him for what he has done. 15 You too should be on your guard against him, because he strongly opposed our message.

2Co 6:14 Do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers. For what partnership has righteousness with lawlessness? Or what fellowship has light with darkness? 15 What accord has Christ with Belial? Or what portion does a believer share with an unbeliever? 16 What agreement has the temple of God with idols? For we are the temple of the living God; as God said, "I will make my dwelling among them and walk among them, and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. 17 Therefore go out from their midst, and be separate from them, says the Lord, and touch no unclean thing; then I will welcome you,

3 John 9 I wrote to the church, but Diotrephes, who loves to be first, will have nothing to do with us. 10 So if I come, I will call attention to what he is doing, gossiping maliciously about us. Not satisfied with that, he refuses to welcome the brothers. He also stops those who want to do so and puts them out of the church. 11 Dear friend, do not imitate what is evil but what is good.


Pro 1:28 Then they will call upon me, but I will not answer; they will seek me diligently but will not find me.
Pro 1:29 Because they hated knowledge and did not choose the fear of the LORD,Pro 1:30 would have none of my counsel and despised all my reproof,Pro 1:31 therefore they shall eat the fruit of their way, and have their fill of their own devices.
Pro 1:32 For the simple are killed by their turning away, and the complacency of fools destroys them;Pro 1:33 but whoever listens to me will dwell secure and will be at ease, without dread of disaster."


Anonymous said...

Wow! All I can say is, you've definitely done your homework! With this much evidence exposing Warren for the emergent contemplative liar he is, you'd think the truth would be obvious to JP. Alas, I think he is deceived. Its funny, I didn't even know who JP was until two months ago. And even at the very start there were things he said that gave me pause.

Anonymous said...

When I heard about John Piper inviting Rick Warren to speak the desiring God conference I thought it was an April fools joke! I'm absolutely shocked. Based on what I learned so far, I want to note that Piper seems to be trying to skirt the issue by making it in to a "reformed" vs. non-reformed" issue when in fact it is a "orthodox" vs. "heretical, false teacher" issue. Time would tell if Piper is going to dodge criticism by telling the "reformed" Christians that they are being unloving for disapproving of his choice of Rick Warren, because Warren is not reformed, when in fact we disapprove because Warren is teaching doctrines that are not scriptural...period.

Thanks for your information

Denise said...


Thank you for stopping by. I'm glad to help others steer clear of error and head for the Truth of Scripture.

Its good you were cautious---we can't be too careful these days for sure.

Denise said...

CC, you hit it right on the head!

Tony Zabala said...

Hi Denise,

Well researched article. I have read a lot of the things that you mentioned about Warren in the past.

What's amazing about this is that Piper and those that are defending Piper's decision claim to read and loved Reformed and Puritan material. If one even reads a few of the Reformers and Puritan's writings, one would easily conclude that the Puritans and Reformers would never put up with Piper's decisions to first align himself with Mark Driscoll and then with Rick Warren. And some of these people who are defending Piper are responsible for republishing Puritan material for this generation!

My question to Piper and his defenders is are you reading, following, applying, and taking to heart what Jonathan Edwards, the Puritans, and Reformers are writing which are based on the teachings of Scripture or are you merely listening to these words and not following them? The harshest words and warnings against pragmatism and Roman Catholicism came from the Reformers and Puritans. Even Arminians such as John and Charles Wesley wouldn't put up with this. Jesus said that if you merely hear His Words and not follow them, great will be your fall (Matt. 7: 26-27).

In Christ,


Denise said...

Tony, I'm becoming convinced not only that they half-heartedly "hear" what the Puritans said, but more importantly, they have a low view of Scripture, which is why they are far more Man-centered than they are willing to admit.

If a doctrine is biblical, I don't see how it can be optional, but we're seeing they'll do anything to have peace. Peace and acceptance in the circle at any price?

Not me.

Loyalty to Christ and Him alone, by His grace in His strength, to His glory alone. It can be a hard road, but its the Narrow Road.

terriergal said...

Oh, I am so glad I just found your blog. wow. thank you for taking a firm stand while we are trashed by people like Phil Johnson and others.

Denise said...

You are welcome. Its so grievous terrie, to see such hypocrisy and love for man rather than love for the purity of the Gospel and the Lord. These people who rally around their magisterium are guilty of the sin of favoritism in James 2 but they are so *smart* they can't see it nor the danger and need for separating from such men.